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Topic: Ticket and popcorn prices
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 02-02-2001 06:06 AM
Greg said: "It's important to remember concessions are the ONLY reason theatres are in business. Studios take almost all the box office cash from first-run theatres, so essentially, theatres truly get their profits from concessions."You are correct that concessions provide much of a theatre's income. But audiences come to a theatre to enjoy a movie, properly presented. Without "Film Done Right", they will either go elsewhere, or have microwave popcorn in their "home theatres". Theatres need to offer an enjoyable entertainment experience unattainable elsewhere, not just expensive concessions. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Dustin Mitchell
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posted 02-03-2001 02:00 AM
In reality, theatres make more on the box than you'd think. Look at it like this, the average adult ticket price is $7 right? Well, if the studio is taking 90% of your reciepts (I think it is rare for the number to be this high), your still pulling in $.70 a ticket. That's not great, no, but when your percap at the concession is $2.10, the box will be 25% of your profit. NOW, if the studio is taking 70%-much more common I think-then you will be getting $2.10 per ticket, and the box is now half your profit.
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Richard C. Wolfe
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posted 02-04-2001 11:53 PM
I'm glad to see that clarificated about profits verus gross revenue. However, I truly believe that most people who comment here have no idea what it costs to operate a theatre. In almost all cases managers and projectionist have no access to, and are not given, any indepth knowledge to the real workings of the theatre business.There are very few theatres, probably less then 10% (maybe less then 1%) that make any profit from ticket sales. If concession stands were for some reason banned from theatres almost every theatre would go out of business. During my thirty five years as a theatre owner, I have operated only single and twin theatres, plus several drive-ins. I have handled every aspect of theatre operations and have complete knowledge of what it takes and costs to run those type of operations. I have made a comfortable living doing it, but never have I operated, or known anyone else who has made a profit running theatres without the income from concessions. It's virtually impossible! Having never owned or run a large multiplex theatre, I can only guess what the costs are to operate such. Obviously, there is savings in numbers. That is the whole philosophy of the multi plex theare. I have owned and operated several large (1500 to 1800 seat)downtown theatres in medium size cities, midsize neighborhood houses, several modest small town houses, and a large twin in a regional indoor mall. From those I think I can project fairly accurately what it would cost to operate a muliplex theatre. Let's assume we build a tenplex theatre as a free standing location. It has a total of about 2500 seats, all stadium, with state of the art digital sound, large screens...the whole nine yards. I have read where this type of construction and equipment has taken the cost from $500,000 to $1,000,000 per screen. I'm going to assume that I'm able to watch costs closely and have it come in at $750,000 per screen for a total cost of $7,500,000. I'm able to fiance the entire amout at 8.5% for 15 years. The monthy payment would be $93,000 or a little over $21,000 per week ($2,146 per screen per week). Using my various theatres as a guide to establish average expenses, based upon similar cubic and/or square footage, number of seats, etc. I have projected the weekly costs for the entire complex to be as follows: mortgage $ 21,146 electric/heat 4,200 Payroll & PR Taxes 5,000 telephone 50 water/sewer 275 advertising 1,000 adv materials 50 insurance 2,000 trash hauling 250 film shipping 150 maintainence & repairs 500 Petty cash 100 taxes (real estate etc.) 2,596 -------------------------------- Total weekly expenses $37,317 or $3,731 per screen To establish gross potential, I used the actual reported average per screen grosses for the top ten pictures for the weekend of Jan. 12th-14th. A typical weekend...no holidays or other events that would effect business in an abnormal way. We are assuming here that we are playing those ten films, which would give us a total box office gross of $60,758 or $6,075 per screen. Given a gross of $60,758 and average film rental of 50%, we would be left with $30,379 to pay our bills. With the house overhead being the $37,317 we would be $6,938 in the whole. However, basing this on an average admission price of $5.50 (Adults-$7.00, kids, srs & matinees-$4.50) we would have 11,046 admissions which with a concession per capita of $2.25 would produce concession sales of $24,853. With a cost factor of 20%, our 80% share would be $19,882 or $12,944 more then our loss at the box office, therefore giving us a nice profit for the week. The point here is that even a theatre showing a nice profit such as the one in this example would still have lost a sizable amount of money had it not been for the concessions. Please remember that these are all estimates, and costs of doing business may very well be higher, while the concession per capita might be lower. The BO grosses are averages and would be much lower in many markets.
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Dustin Mitchell
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posted 02-05-2001 01:41 PM
Ahh, but you see you are subtracting expenses before you total up the gross revenues from both sources. Without that 30 grand from the box sales, what would you pay all your expenses with? Yes, I understand completely that concessions is what keeps us in business, it is the profit center of the theatre, as my manager likes to say. But, as your example shows box pays the bills.What people in this business need to realize is that both areas are equally important. We are in the entertainment business, not the popcorn business. I mean, is a baseball team in the hot dog business? Is a football team in the beer business? Both areas provide vital income that cannot be ignored.
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Richard C. Wolfe
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posted 02-05-2001 05:40 PM
It all depends on how you do your books. It doesn't matter where the revenue comes from...box office, concessions, rentals, stage shows or whatever, the only thing that is important is that you take in more money then you pay out. Historically, this industry started without refreshment stands, and theatres existed soley from boxoffice revenues. Film rental for first run films ran about 35% and theatres could make a profit from exhibiting motion pictures. When theatre owners saw the amount of refreshment related items that were being brought into their theatres they realized that it would be in their best interests to sell it themselves. This didn't begin to happen until the late thirties and early forties. By the late fifties and early sixties, after the advent of television, the studios become aware of the income that the theatres were garnering from refershments and suggested that since the audience that purchased them wouldn't exist if it were not for their films, they should recieve a percentage of it. Exhibitors naturally refused and would have nothing to do with it, so the studios increased their rental percentages to the point where they were indeed getting a part of it. So the box pays most of the bills, but not all. It still takes the concession to pay the balance of them and provide the profit. I do agree that we are in this business to be showmen, not pop corn salesman. If we would want to operate a theatre without concessions we should be able to make a profit without them, but we can't. It is not possible, therefore we are forced to be pop corn salesman.
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Charles Everett
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posted 06-25-2001 11:27 AM
Bringing it back up to get it back on topic . . .Closest theater to me is a 12-screen in Manville, New Jersey (New York metro). All stadium, all digital, mostly mainstream with the occasional arthouse title. TICKETS: Adults/teens -- 9.00 after 5 PM, 5.50 before 5 PM Seniors (62 and older) -- 5.50 all times Kids (12 and under) -- 5.50 all times CONCESSION STAND: Popcorn -- 4.00 large, 3.50 medium, 3.00 small Fountain soda (Pepsi) -- 3.50 large, 3.00 medium, 2.50 small No free refills on popcorn or fountain soda Combo (large popcorn & large fountain soda) -- 6.50 (No kiddie combo, though) Nachos -- 4.50 large, 3.50 small Hot pretzels -- 3.50 Bottled water -- 3.50 large, 2.75 small Ice cream/yogurt bar -- 3.00 Kosher hot dogs -- 3.25 Theater also has a coffee bar Espresso -- 2.00 Cappuccino -- 2.50 Bottled soda -- 2.00 Brownies -- 2.25 Cookies -- 2.00 large, 1.50 small Brad, you'll be pleased to know this theater took a tip from UA and priced all concessions in 25-cent increments.
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John Pytlak
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posted 06-25-2001 12:27 PM
Does anyone price concessions so that with the added sales tax, the total price comes out to a round number, simplifying making change? For example, with a 5% sales tax, a $2.86 drink would cost $3.00, including sales tax.------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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