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Jerry Chase
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"You know, the one thing that always got to me, was the company policy that said and I quote "...any missing ticket stubs will be considered a cash shortage and will be dealt with accordingly."

Now can anyone tell me how a missing ticket STUB is a cash shortage?"

GCC used to have this bug up their ass when they did chopper audits. If any "corrective" action were taken based on a missing stub, a court would throw it out faster than you can say "uncontrollable." The policy was meant to terrorize the ticket takers into doing their jobs.

However... chopper audits where more than an occasional stub was missing, or both halves of tickets were found, or tickets from other days or improper showtimes were found were an indicator of theft or a ticket taker not performing his or her duties.

Too many circuits have not only eliminated the chopper audit, but eliminated the ticket taker as well, making the cashier both sell and tear the ticket.

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Adam Martin
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Too many circuits have not only eliminated the chopper audit, but eliminated the ticket taker as well, making the cashier both sell and tear the ticket.

Which makes it that much easier for the cashier to steal. I have this on videotape. What an interesting conversation with the Director of Operations that one was!

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Ken Lackner
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What is a chopper audit?

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Jerry Chase
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"What is a chopper audit?"

LOL! It is easy to tell how much the industry has changed when a question like this is asked.

The doorman's stand where the ticket stubs are stuffed is called a chopper. (I suppose the doorman was referred to as a chopper as well, maybe Bob Marr can tell us the derivation of the name.) In days of old, when men were bold, each doorman was responsible for the tickets stubs for his shift. In some theatres the box had one compartment for each type of ticket, or later, each auditorium. These were cleaned out at shift change. The cardboard tickets from the automaticket machines were an improvement, in that they had a drive hole, which could be used to thread the stubs of a steel pin. Prior to a shift, the doorman stuck a card on the pin shaft with his name, date and time. At the end of the shift, he logged out and another doorman logged in. Cashiers did hourly reports indicating the ticket numbers sold during each hour. Because the doorman had to peg the tickets in chronological order, counting was easier and patterns could be determined.

A chopper audit matched the tickets in the chopper compared to what had been sold that day, shift, or hour, depending on what was being examined. Pre-numbered sheets allowed a check-off of serial numbers.

If two of the same serial number were found, it was an indicator of deception. If stubs were missing, it indicated a lazy doorman who either was allowing tickets to pass untorn or palming them for re-use.

There were other variations of things to look for, but those are best not discussed. A sharp owner, auditor, or DM would note them.

Some theatres audited choppers regularly (ie: daily), others only when a DM had time on his hands or felt like being a prick. For many years the final vestiges of chopper audits have been the hoary directives to bag, date, and store the ticket stubs in some back closet or cabinet, where they rot away for years.

A combination of a computerized ticketing audit trail and a chopper audit can often recreate events in surprising detail.

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Adam Martin
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I was using a chopper box as late as 1993 for ticket stubs at a sometimes-busy twin. We had the kind for the automatickets (whirrr-chop!) that we would run a string or fishing line through the rod and pull the ticket stubs off onto the string, making a ticket "lae" that was easily thumbed through for auditing purposes. We even used the shift change and hourly cards. Beat the hell out of digging through a paper bag of computer tickets with faded ink!


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Bob Maar
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Jerry,

I have done many chopper box audits. If you recall in another thread awhile back that is how I caught the manager of the Hippodrome Theatre in Baltimore splicing his own tickets into the pack. I started in this business as an usher in 1956 and also worked as a doorman at the Loews Paradise in the Bronx. It was a ticket chopper then and thatis what I always called the box. In those days we took hourly reading and were signed in and out with the little square stubs.


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Dave Williams
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The reason any audits on the stubs at this chain don't work is because they are using cash registers for box office. They use NCR white and yellow tape, keep the white and give the yellow as a reciept. The yellow does not get them in, only the white one does.

If somone sells a white stub, or in this case the whole thing, then it comes back. There is no real accounting for that except for eyewitness account of stub selling. The audit does nothing but waste time and money, and create an adversarial relationship between office and theater. Very unhealthy company.

Dave.

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Ken Lackner
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Wow! I guess the booth is not the only way this business has changed over the years. I have never heard of anything like that.

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Bob Maar
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Dave,

The Trans-Lux Inflight Cine's used the National Cash Register that printed the ticket. This ticket was perforated and torn by a doorman. Both parts of the ticket contained a ticket number. The stubs for a given day were placed in a brown paper bag, dated and put away.

Inside the door where you load the ticket paper is another register that recorded all transactions made by the machine and could only be cleared by Regional Manager after an audit.

The yellow copy of the ticket was taken out at the end of each evening in a long roll and placed in the bag with the stubs. This was done for audit purposes.

All of our theatres were audited on a regular basis, both box office and concessions.

The only time the audit became confrontational was if someone was caught stealing money. Otherwise they appreciated the compliments they received and the high rating for their work.


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Jerry Chase
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Bob, out of curiosity, when did you have those NCR registers? I remember meeting with two guys from NCR in the early 1980s (1983?) to attempt to do something similar to that. Right about then the whole PC market opened up, Pacer got up to speed, and things changed.

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Bob Maar
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Jerry, I started using the NCR Registers in 1966 in Bartow, Florida. Used them into the seventies.

In 1977 I put the first Pacer unit to be sold into the New York Experience in New York City. This was a Trans-Lux/Bing Crosby Production on the History of New York City.

After this I placed Pacer units into the new builds.


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Jerry Chase
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Too funny. The guys I talked with from NCR didn't even know of the product they had already developed! I remember being so ripped at the Pacer problems and pricing that I would have been happy to switch.

That first Pacer must have been ... er... interesting.

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Bob Maar
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The chief engineer for Pacer Corp in those days was named Joe Bernard.
He developed an authentic New York accent before he left the Experience Theatre. Which by the way, was located in the 5th Sub basement of the McGraw-Hill Building on the corner of 49th and Sixth Avenue (Avenue Of the America to the tourists). The show ran every hour on the hour from October 1973 to September 1988. 85 Slide projectors (Kodak of course) 3 interlocking 16mm projectors put together by Bergen Expo, An Arion control system to run the show with SMPTE time code. Five Fog Machines, Dozens of special effects to keep the audience alert. They were good days....


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John Walsh
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Bob; Don't forget the life-size Nathan Hale that got hung every show. I heard that oneday his noose let go, and he came crashing down in front of the people in the front row!

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Bob Maar
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John,

He actually landed in the lap of a very pretty lady in the front row.

We were fortunate she had a sense of humor and thought it was part of the show.


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