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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 02-03-2002 10:19 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Richard,
I agree with you to a point about saving our customers time and money, but only to a point. There are other ways to save them money, mainly in the construction phase. There is a new construction method that allows one to get the building done a couple of months faster than usual. Largely saves on labor costs, and interest payments! It also has a much higher R insulation factor and better noise control than any other type of outer/inner wall construction does. A for instance of this system goes like this...
An old customer built two locations almost simultainously in Wisconsin. One project built the old fashioned way with block started on time, and the other building, with the new construction method started two months late due to site problems. Well, the late starting site beat the block and morter site by over a month on completion. It also has saved these people 60% in HVAC savings as well during the first year of operation. Thats the sort of thing a really good architect goes for. New methods, modern materials, etc. He will pay for himself in no time flat. Being able to draw upside down for a group of people is a nice touch but hardly necessary in todays tough world.

You can then put that saved money to good use in the actual workings of a location and make them stand out from the rest of the competition. Making a first run to McDonaldsy is a really bad thing imho, ok for a dollar house location sort of thing that would be a no frills experience. Most of my indie customers try to go out of their way to make their sites alot better than the "chain" competition and its worked almost every time. Sometimes its easy to make their sites alot better than the chains with out going to great extremes, but sometimes they have to. It also depends on which chain is near them. Some are absolutely no competition at all but you still need to envision into the future as to what they might do, or who else might come in. They don't mind spending a bit more money to do it the right way and win out if they think it necessary.
Mark @ GTS
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 02-03-2002 10:37 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
While I'm pretty skeptical of the Stealth design I've had some e-mail from its designer with some links that I am posting here at his request. I really think its just a bit of a gimmik, but then, if it sells tickets, and makes a profit who cares. Gimmiks work sometimes......Its also probably cheaper to build a Stealth Theatre as well.
Its designer feels that the overly large screens with "fist sized grain" are less desirable to view a film on. I definately don't agree with him at all on that statement as all the 40 foot plus wide screens in this area do exceptionally well. Patrons sometimes go out of their way to see films at the loation with the larger screens. Many of the large screens in this area out sell out constantly and they are making money faster than he is by cycling more people through at one time. Needless to say, a 600 seater is also doing better concessions sales in the same time period.
Mark @ GTS
www.getgts.com
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http://mail.getgts.com:8383/Xae609b9b9d999399cf99a6541253/attach/Main/4 /1/1012744884/stealthtriciti.pdf
http://mail.getgts.com:8383/Xae609b9b9d999399cf99a6541253/attach/Main/4/ 2/1012744884/stealthbrnson.pdf

http://mail.getgts.com:8383/Xae609b9b9d999399cf99a6541253/attach/Main/4/3/1 012744884/stealthno1.pdf


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Dave Bird
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 - posted 02-03-2002 11:52 AM      Profile for Dave Bird   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Bird   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I see his point on screens being too large, but for different reasons. As I often mention, I hate the way "wall to wall" screens put auditoriums "out of balance" in relation to sightline/sound. But I certainly don't mind a 40+ foot screen. So I guess "stealth" refers to sneaking the fact you've shrunk the screen. But then he goes and places patrons at W I D E angles. If it really does take the buzzword hype of "wall to wall" screens to sell tickets, I'd rather they do it by "stealthily" making the fronts of auditoriums slightly narrower than the back, allowing for wall to wall with a properly balanced seating area, and not putting people at a 40+ degree
angle from the line of projection like these corner-screens do.

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 02-03-2002 12:43 PM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark, I don't know what your email password is, so if you'd like to email the .pdf files to Brad, I'm sure he can post them in a more appropriate place.


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Richard Fowler
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 - posted 02-03-2002 02:19 PM      Profile for Richard Fowler   Email Richard Fowler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark,
like I said in a post a few days ago we are either building a palace or doing a "barn raising" hiding the barn with drapes etc. It is nice to work on a project where the factors of operations, showmanship, and quality hardware are going in at an affordable price.
Two years ago we built an eleven-plex where the building was extremely utilitarion but the front, lobby, seating, projection and sound was first class....the project cost was 1/2 of the competitor ( a large international chain who was going to show the "locals" on how a theatre should be built ) who had built a nine plex less than 3 miles from them...they thought terrazo floors where more important than the dimly lit screens, uncomfortable seats, and lousy sound they gave their public..... at present my client has 91% of the business in that market......spend more in areas where the greatest return / service life can be obtained.
Richard Fowler
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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-03-2002 02:33 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark, mail them to me, not someone else. Every time someone else posts a link, picture or whatever, I have to go in and manually move it over. It is much less work for me to do it straight than to un-do someone else's link.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 02-03-2002 04:49 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok everyone, here they are for your reading enjoyment.
Mark @ GTS

First one
Second one
Third one



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Adam Martin
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With all due respect to the designer, I was looking forward to some sort of technical documents supporting his work. I've ranted on the press in the past, so I'll just leave everyone with this quote from the "Third One":

quote:
Steven Spielberg, among others, favor DTS over THX and other systems.


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