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Brad Miller
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 - posted 05-05-2002 04:34 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I must ask this quick poll:

Do you sell out EVERY seat in the house? If no, what is a percentage that you do not sell for people who sneak in and to make up for those seats where people refuse to sit?

For a 300-400 seat house my personal rule was always 50 seats. For something smaller like 150-200 I would always leave 25 seats. Doing this saved a LOT of unhappy customers, saved a LOT of wasted time trying to force every person into a specific seat (because let's face it, if you sell EVERY seat there will be a lot of people unhappy with their chair's location) and I think it just helps out overall with customer satisfaction. I wonder how many people are mandated by their corporate pencil pushers to sell every seat so they can make those extra few bucks.


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Jason Black
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 - posted 05-05-2002 04:43 PM      Profile for Jason Black   Author's Homepage   Email Jason Black   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I normally leave 20-25 seats on a 300 seat house. I bump it up to 35 on particularly busy movies (ie. SW, HP, Spidy, etc). Looks like I will have to bump it up a tad more to alleviate headaches, but doing so, I'm afraid the 'men behind the desks' (I like that phrase) will piss and moan about loss of revenues, and, honestly, somewhat rightfully so.

As I said before, it's a no win situation. I'm simply in search of that 'happy medium'.

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David Favel
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 - posted 05-05-2002 05:38 PM      Profile for David Favel   Email David Favel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Most larger cinemas I have gone to have specified seats on the stubs.
We are developing this on our home made ticketing software as MOST people are fine with the seats they are allocated.

We are working on the "Best Available Seat" option.
i.e. the first seats sold are 2/3 back etc.

However I am still reluctant to sell that last 5%, due to the people who arrive 5 minutes before showtime & demand to be seated.

In this situation we go by the addage of "the customer is always a right bastard" and seat them in the front row next to the wall.


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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 05-05-2002 05:38 PM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Back when the first Star Wars came out, the larger auditorium at my theatre had 414 seats and I sold 414 tickets to every show for the first weekend. I had signage all over the place and a strict ticket check. I had only one very vocal complaint from a couple that ignored the signage and tried to use their tickets for the first matinee at the second matinee. They went so far as picketing the theatre until their parents? keepers? drove up and told them to quit acting stupid and get in the car. Other customers who listened to their complaint were looking at them like they were brain dead.

Sometime in the mid eighties, I realized that booking terms didn't reward theatres for selling every last seat, and the late starts, customer complaints, and added staffing costs seemed to make it more sensible to do an auditorium check at fifty seats and leave between one and two dozen seats open. I still think that is a good guideline for a 250 - 500 seat house.

I would never leave fifty seats empty unless the auditorium had an unusually high number of "booker" seats that were so neck straining they came with chiropractor business cards.

As a "man behind a desk" I would be more concerned about low fill levels as an indicator of loss of control in people swapping auditoriums or a ticket seller/taker skimming than I would be about any minimal loss of revenue during the high percentage weeks.


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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 05-05-2002 09:14 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If we are showing a movie which attracts mostly adults or older kids, we leave around 20 empty seats. (We seat 212.) If it is a little kids movie, I'll lower that number to 10, because without fail there are kids sitting on parents laps, or two kids to one seat, or whatever.

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Adam Fraser
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 - posted 05-05-2002 11:37 PM      Profile for Adam Fraser   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Fraser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We have a 450 seat auditorium and we like to leave about 50 seats empty for a full house. Sometimes that number can go down a few if the people over and above 400 are willing to sit wherever there is an empty seat.

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Jacob Huber
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 - posted 05-06-2002 02:49 AM      Profile for Jacob Huber   Email Jacob Huber   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At our theatre, if a movie is selling out we usually stop with 2% of the seats empty, not a huge problem, where those who can't find seats usually trade for the next showing. The only time in recent memory where we had a problem was a day-before screening of Orange County where Paramount (or whatever company it was) gave out free 2 person tickets to the local colleges and high schools. Our largest stadium house seats about 275 and they gave out around 250 of these tickets. Needless to say, we had about 225 people who could not get seats and I was forced to remove about 50 of the people who would not leave and thought they were permitted to either sit on the stairs, on the ground floor, or stand along the wall.

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Darryl Spicer
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filmcompanies usually do this without reguard to how many seats the auditorium holds. A lot of times they just don't expect those people to show up like sometimes they do. The best way to keep everyone happy in these cases is to tell the peop;e who can't get in that they can use the passes to see the movie during the regular run.

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Ken Lackner
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Some tickets do say on the back that management reserves the right to designate where the holder of the ticket will be seated. I have never heard of this happening, and I would not do that. I agree, ASK is the key word. But I guess that statement is there as a disclaimer just in case.

Regarding saving seats: Aren't patrons encouraged to always keep their ticket stub with them for re-entry? Then how could you expect the person in the auditorium to produce the tickets stup for someone who has stepped out?

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Jerry Chase
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Ken, that disclaimer may or may not be on tickets. I suspect it is more of a holdover generic disclaimer from assigned seating auditoriums. It really has no place in an open seating situation, and there are better disclaimers. I've ordered and designed a lot of tickets.

Regarding the "saving seats" question, you'll note that I included a restroom check (with the unsaid purpose of counting heads (nice unintentional pun ) prior to demanding a customer give up a "saved" seat. In the extremely unlikely event that the person actually did show up, I would move the latecomer. I never had that be the case though. Some customers lie through their teeth, and others get "stood up" on dates.


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Darren Briggs
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 - posted 05-06-2002 05:58 PM      Profile for Darren Briggs   Author's Homepage   Email Darren Briggs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The cinema I work at has numdered seats after 6pm , so this avoids the problems of peolpe leaving spare seats, they can choose where to sit at the box office , if people dont sit where there tickets tell them , the ushers just point out the numbers on there tickets and the customer normally realises they are in the wrong row etc, no problems, We have 8 seats out of 226 called house seats which we use for mix-ups and computer overselling cock-ups, these are in good places 2/3rds the wasy back on the middle section isle. We ar eonly a 3 screen venue so we can keep an eye on the seating situationon large films no problems.
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Manuel Francisco Valencia
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 - posted 05-07-2002 12:17 AM      Profile for Manuel Francisco Valencia   Email Manuel Francisco Valencia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Everybody seems to be on the same page as far as seating but what about the wait. Friday our last show of Spiderman was at 10:15. It was in our big house (567 seats) and we sold it down to about 50 seats left. The problem was that everyone came early, inbetween 8:45 and 9:15. The were 45 minute intervals so the show before was getting out at 9:30. Give about ten minutes to clean after 500+ people makes the wait even longer. Then a good ticket check can slow up the line. Then when people do get in and finally get their seats they only have about twenty to twenty five minutes to go to concession and get their food. Our lobby and hallways are big but when you have that many people together at the same time it makes everything complicated. It is loud so concessionists have to yell for customers to hear. It makes customers going to see another movie angry that they have to move around all these people. Does anbody have any solutions to these problems besides cutting showtimes?

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Rob Jones
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We only run 4 shows a week so we have to fill these as far as possible (300). However on occasions on a Friday night if the show fills and people are going to be left with the few crappy seats in the house we will usually tell the latecomers that they might get a not so great seat and ask them if they'd prefer to go to the bar for an hour or so (hey they're students!) and come back for a later show. Its usually obvious which films will pack so the late shows are always pre-arranged and advertised.

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Michael Brown
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As a patron what i hate is when a cinema is using numbered tickets BUT the person/computer at the box office assigns you a seat without asking you where you would like to sit.

When i get to the auditoriun i usually sit where i like. Since i feel that if the cinema wants to assign me a seat, to be polite they should ask my preferance.

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John Moriarty
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We only occasionally sell out a showing, and as a student cinema only showing films for one night, it is rarely an option to suggest people come back later (if any showing sells out it is almost always the last). The last people to come in are made aware that there will not be any good seats left but are still happy to pay to come in, and often the people we turn away ask to be allowed sit in aisles or on the floor at the front for full price (we have to turn them away for safety rules). As someone else mentioned, customers are often annoyed if they don't get in (even if they haven't had to travel far), and so we don't like to do it (hence we let in as many people as we can).

If we still have a queue of people coming in at the published start time, we delay the film until everyone has taken their seat (with the house lights on).

John

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