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Adam Fraser
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With our coconut oil pump (cretors) you never have to use a hair dryer to soften the oil. After you push the button for oil delivery the unused oil in the lines pours back into the bucket of oil. This was an add on to a Cretors Hollywood 48 (54 years old) which used to have a manual oil pump. Does anyone still use the manual pumps on these machines? I have never seen one in operation.

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Tony Ratcliff
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In my theatre, I used Pop-N-Lite. It is 50% coconut and 50% "other" oils, mostly vegetable.
Taste wise I couldn't tell the difference when we switched to it from the 100% coconut.
Aside from being "healthier", it eliminated the congealing problem that we had with the 100% coconut oil.
And, like many of you have said about yours, ours is considered "the best popcorn in town."
Being a downtown theatre, we get a lot of people who are out walking and stop in just to buy some popcorn.

On the health thing. I was working at a drive-in when the whole canola thing hit. Funny thing was, people wanted the popcorn popped in canola, but still wanted their tub drowned in "butter flavored topping"! It's like the old saying about people going to McDonald's and getting a big-mac and a diet coke.

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Bill Enos
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Peanut oil tastes great but scorches & smokes very readily and will burst into flame if the thermostat in the kettle fails in the on position. It also gunks up the kettles more than coconut. Lots of lost sales due to peanut allergies too.

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Gordon McLeod
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The flash point of peanut oil is higher than canola or cottenseed. It is I beleive almost the same as coconut oil
Canola and others are the worst at blackening kettles

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Donna Sylvester
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No one has mentioned soybean oil and flavocal. That is what I use with real butter if they want it. My popcorn tastes great, with or without the butter; much better than the big chain multi-plex down the road.

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David Stambaugh
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In our popper, coconut oil smoked WAY more than canola -- it was so bad I was worried about smoke detectors going off. And I could never get a kettle of corn to pop uniformly or completely in coconut oil. I tried varying the ratio of oil to corn, just couldn't get a really good batch with coconut oil. I suppose the kettle might have been too hot or something, but I had to WORK at it to burn a batch made in canola oil.

I should have mentioned we were also using Flavocol (sp?) seasoning -- good stuff.


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Jerry Chase
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The smoke point of an oil is the temperature at which the oil begins to decompose and visible fumes (smoke) are given off continuously from the surface of the fat.

Relative smoke points (from the same web source - there is a lot of dispute on exact smoke points)
Safflower 265 degrees C
Sunflower 246 degrees C
Soybean 241 degrees C
Canola 238 degrees C
Corn 236 degrees C
Peanut 231 degrees C
Sesame 215 degrees C
Olive 190 degrees C
Lards 183 to 205 degrees C

Coconut wasn't included in the website. Another site gives coconut a smoke point of only 138 degrees C, however, it gives substantially lower rating for other oils as well and the accuracy is questionable. Coconut oil does have a high lauric acid content, which does lower the smoke point compared to other vegetable oils. This same lauric acid is what makes the oil more akin to butter and dairy products. I suspect that some people subliminally recognize and appreciate it more than other people.

I have never had a problem with coconut oil smoking unless A> the thermostat on the popper was inoperative or set way too high, or B> the concessionist didn't know how to make popcorn properly and added the oil before the seed. This statement includes use of Gold Medal, Cretors, and Manley poppers. I'll say flat out to Dave S. that your popper must have been whacked, and based on my own experiences, my wild guess is that it was a Manley. A lot of people like the Manley poppers, but the ones I've used needed repair much more often.

More health coconut info: http://www.coconut-info.com/links.htm

To me, soybean oil is kind of neutral in flavor. I think I've mentioned before that people do have sensitivities to different tastes, so there is lots of room for disagreement. To a person though, I've never known a person who got fishy tasting popcorn to appreciate it.

Pure butter is NOT good on popcorn. Been there, done that. It has a fairly large water content. Spray some water on popcorn and you'll be able to taste and feel how this degrades the corn. Pure butter can be left in the butter warmer for extended periods to seperate the oil, water, and milk solids. Butter oil works well as a topping. I wish I knew a simple way to recover some of the milk solids, which is where some of the butter flavor resides.


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David Stambaugh
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From poking around on web sites, it looks like we had a Gold Medal 6 oz. popper. I remember the name "Kingery" on a nameplate somewhere. Kingery = Gold Medal from what I found.

I guess the thermostat might have been screwed up, but there was never any trouble with canola oil smoking. Never had fishy-tasting popcorn using canola oil. That sounds like rancid oil or something.

I'm not arguing against coconut oil. It's in widespread use and everyone seems to prefer its taste. I'm only saying that my experience with canola doesn't seem to be all that bad.

It just occurred to me that maybe I should point out we were using "canola popping oil", not pure canola oil like supermarkets sell for home use. After sitting for a while, a layer of heavy solids would form on the bottom of the tub so it had to be stirred up first. I don't think "pure" canola oil separates like that. We got it from Popper's Supply Company in Portland.



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Chad Souder
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David -

A 6 oz. kettle is very, very small. Like what you'd find in a popcorn cart in the park or something. Maybe you were at a very small theatre, but most commercial poppers intended for theatre use are at least 20 oz. Typically, smaller poppers make better corn, and I know some chains that have one small popper (like 8 oz. or something) for each concession station. Smaller kettles don't have to get as hot, and that saves on breakdowns too. I actually run the thermostat on our 48 oz. kettle lower than the manual recommends to avoid the end of the batch getting burned. I seem to have fewer old maids that way too. We use Lou Ana coconut oil and never have a problem with smoking, except for our lack of good exhaust. Fact is, noone goes to a theatre expecting to eat healthy. Use what tastes best, whatever that may be.

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Gordon McLeod
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Soya oils can take on a fishy taste if exposed to the air too long.
This will go away if heated and then cooled for some reason.
For seasoned salt Flavicol is the best with saverol a close second

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John Scott
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I was very disapointed 2 years ago when we were forced to change from Flavocal to Cretors Butter Flavored Salt.

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Mathew Molloy
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Here at The Regent we've switched back to coconut oil and customer response is great. We also have a selection of seasonings and use real butter. The greatest benefit of coconut oil is the ease of cleaning the kettle.

The small-town art-house I got my start at uses 'all-natural, non-hydrogenated, no-coloring added, etc. canola oil' and it is popped without salt. After the corn is dumped a light mist of peanut oil is sprayed on top and then plain salt added, sticking to the peanut oil on the kernals. It is by far the best tasting popcorn I've ever had. Oh and they use 'real' real butter from a local farm.

Here's their site... http://www.rosetheatre.com/

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David Stambaugh
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Chad, sorry I wasn't clear. The popper I referred to wasn't at a theater. It was in an employee break room at Dynamix (now-closed game developer). We actually had 2 of those poppers, 1 on each floor we occupied.

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Chad Souder
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Stupid me and my assumptions...

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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Hmm.. I used to like popcorn. Sometime in the past five years, I pretty much lost my appetite for it. (There are a few exceptions - Little Lad's Herbal Corn is one!)

The theater I'm at now, uses canola products for popping & topping (Popsit & Topsit). yuck yuck yuck! If something possesses me to chomp on some popcorn while at work, I can't put the Topsit on it - or I will be sick to my stomach for hours, nor can I eat more than a few handfuls - or I will be sick to my stomach for hours.
When my stomach makes that kind of statement - I pay attention.
Canola is nasty!

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