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Topic: Paying .5% of gross to Music rights assoc.
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Jacob Huber
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From: Evansville, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 10-16-2002 12:18 AM
From ASCAP In most countries outside the United States, motion picture theaters are required to pay performance royalties for music used in theatrically distributed films. These fees are collected by the local performing-rights society in each country (PRS in England, GEMA in Germany, JASRAC in Japan, SACEM in France, SOCAN in Canada, APRA in Australia, BUMA in the Netherlands, etc.) which, in turn, distribute royalties to the writers and publishers of music contained in the films distributed in their territories. The foreign societies will remit the writer's share of such monies directly to the performing rights society that a writer is a member of (i.e. ASCAP in the U.S.), which will then pay these theatrical performance royalties as a foreign distribution. In simple language, what this means is that, if you managed to get a song in a movie that is released outside the U.S., you'll get checks from your performing rights society that they in turn have received from the foreign performing rights organizations that collected the money for you in the first place. In contrast to the handling of writer royalties, the music publisher normally allows its representative in each foreign territory to directly collect its publisher royalty share in the local country. Theater license fees vary by country and are usually a percentage of the theater's box office receipts. Because of the worldwide appeal of many motion pictures -- Titanic and Star Wars, to cite a couple of obvious examples -- it's not unusual for successful films to generate hundreds of thousands of dollars in theatrical performance royalties So... it's on the side of APRA.
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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
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posted 10-18-2002 02:38 AM
Of course it would be. You would think that if a theatre books a film, everything is already paid up front by the producer (how can a producer use music that he hasn't paid for in the first place?). Since when does a film company sell you a picture that is encumbered and not free and clear? What about all the other rights that are involved with making a motion picture -- the actor's likeness rights -- does the theatre have to pay a percentage because it is showing the likeness of the actor? Perhaps the theatre should be made to pay a percentage so that the salaries of everyone who worked on the film can be paid after the fact. It is totally absurd, but not surprising. Why doesn't the royalty company just go to the studio and say, "Hey, you claim you made umpteen million dollars on this picture, therefore you owe us a royalty percentage of that money for the music you used in the film? At the very least, if your system is legitimately set up with royalties being collected AFTER the film is released, certainly you should only pay a percentage of your NET from the film. If you are get only 10% of the gate and the distrib is getting 90%, why should you pay a percentage of the full ticket price? -- let the distribution company pay the .05% on the 90% he takes with you paying a percentage only on what you make on the ticket price....your 10%. Anything less is quite unfair. Even though in the US the royalty companies haven't yet adopted this absurd concept -- "pay for music used in the film" -- although I can just imagine the ASCAP guy drooling at the thought of such an arrangement -- here in the states ASCAP & BMI still try to extract every loose penny that might be rattling around in anyone's pocket. They want venues to pay a licensing fee (which we do) that is a blanket fee for the entire year; it allows us to play any music that they represent either prerecorded non-sync or performed by artists at our live shows. The fee is based on the number of seats and the number of performances we put on average in a year. Yet these royalty companies also hound the artists who perform music in our theatres to also pay a licensing fee for the very same music that we already paid for by virtue of our fee. A fee for the same piece of music is being collected twice. They wanted to do the same with radio stations. The stations pay ASCAP and BMI royalties, then the royalty companies want to force the restaurant owner who plays a radio in his establishment to pay a royalty fee also. Again, the royalty companies are collecting twice. Or would like too -- I think a restaurant association successfully fought that battle and won. This is nothing less than extortion and should be fought in court any place the royalty companies try to pull that kind of a shakedown; in the case of performers in venues like ours, they still are being harassed, so far to my knowledge -- the scam continues. It certainly would make a good class action suit for some aggressive law firm who wanted to fight it. The practice harms both the venue and the performer. Frank
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Matt Hale
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From: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 04-08-2003 07:38 PM
There may not actually be double-dipping going on here. When a producer liscences a song for use in a movie, they have the option of buying global rights, or rights for certain areas i.e. North America only. If the movie is not expected to be a wide release they will usually go for the limited rights to save money. Then, of course, when the movie does get shipped overseas they should buy the additional rights. Unfortuneatly, by the time the movie gets overseas the company that produced it (in the legal entity sense) is long shut-down. The distributor should see that the rights are paid for, but of course they're not interested in paying anything more than they absolutely have to, so they leave it up to the exhibitor to pay.
The next logical step is for the exhibitor to offload these fees onto the patron, such as adding a 1% surcharge to each ticket...
Also complicating matters is that for every song there are two sets of rights to buy: The publishing rights, and the rights to the specific recording used. These are not always owned by the same group. As an example, a movie that I am currently involved with is using Dean Martin's "That's Amore" We have bought the right to use the song, however the record company that owns Martin's recording of that song is asking too much money, so we have paid to have the song re-recorded by another singer. So now we own the rights to a recording of "That's Amore" but we still cant use our recording without paying the music publisher.
So APRA may have some legitimate claim that your theatre is playing music that has not been paid for, but I think their method of calculating what you "owe" them is definietly bogus. By demanding that you pay them a percentage off the top, they imply that none of the music in any of the shows has been paid for, and I scincerely doubt that is the case.
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