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Author Topic: Syrup Lines - Overhead or under the slab Jason Whyte Expert Film Handler Posts: 132 From: Victoria, BC, Canada Registered: Sep 2002 posted 01-13-2003 03:59 AM                        Whoops, my bad Daryl. I forgot to look at your location first before responding. I was joking anyway, since I'm never really that defensive over Canadian jokes in the first place. Victoria has a few Famous Players, a Cineplex Odeon, a Criterion Cinemas, a Landmark and an Alliance Atlantis, as well as a couple of independents. I'm sure you fall under one of those.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-13-2003 04:03 AM                     Down here in redneck territory, McDonald's is the only place I know of that actually has strict standards on their soft drinks. I know a couple of people who have been managers for McDonald's and they both mentioned that overhead lines was a requirement, along with weekly brixing, hence my reference to them. Personally if you want really good soft drinks, along with the regular brixing you need to get the slowest pouring nozzles you can find, as well as a counter electric model. Systems that rely on the ice bin to chill the lines never do as good of a job as a counter electric unit. If your customers know your drinks will be extra good, they will commonly opt for the larger size. One place I used to work (coincidently the same one serving "shit Cokes") I frequently was told by customers that they would pass on the upsizing because our Cokes did not taste very good. (They were right too!)  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-13-2003 04:07 AM                        Well I fall under a couple of those and them some... heck except for the third and fourth ones, they all pretty much fall under each other.  |  IP: Logged Jason Whyte Expert Film Handler Posts: 132 From: Victoria, BC, Canada Registered: Sep 2002 posted 01-13-2003 04:14 AM                        My local theater that I work with has a basic under-the-counter fountain setup, but I'm not sure about exact specs, but this thread certainly has me interested to find out. I haven't drank any of the coke from their fountain in ages, mind you... quote: One place I used to work (coincidently the same one serving "shit Cokes") I frequently was told by customers that they would pass on the upsizing because our Cokes did not taste very good. (They were right too!) I tend to say one of two things: - "Could I have a side of water?" or - "Well that depends -- how much comission do you get if I say yes to an upgrade?"  |  IP: Logged Jason Burroughs Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 654 From: Allen, TX Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-13-2003 09:20 AM                     Brad, That same theater also had those HORRIBLE "Turbo" heads. I'd agree the cokes at that theater never really tasted all that good.  |  IP: Logged Ron Lacheur Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 650 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-13-2003 09:56 AM                     At least it isn't Pepsi.  |  IP: Logged Tom Wienholt Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Towson, MD, USA Registered: Dec 2002 posted 01-13-2003 10:05 AM                     At my theatre the soda lines are run through the ceiling and we've never had any problems with them.  |  IP: Logged Robert Golding Film Handler Posts: 65 From: Sutter, CA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 01-13-2003 06:01 PM                     I must tell all of you who like underground, have not had the pleasure of being flooded. I was in 1986 and I can tell you it's not pretty. I abandon all my under ground lines for my soda machines and reinstalled it all overhead. My waterline for the soda fountains is only a small 1/2 line. I used 6" PVC to run the syrup line. I've have no problems with critters getting into the lines as I used a foam sealent to plug the pvc ends. I also ran my wiring from my soundhead to soundrack overhead. If you can't hide your overhead lines, all you have to do is paint them and nobody notices them. With all lines overhead you seem to find your leaks much faster and they are much easier to fix. If you use pvc pipe make sure you don't glue them together. When and if something does go wrong, it a snap to pull them apart. Mine have been in place since 1986 and so far no problems.  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 01-14-2003 12:00 AM                        The norm for us is to use PVC in the slab with stainless lines run thru the underground tubes. At each end of the PVC the expandable foam is sprayed in to effectively "seal" the tube. Nylon lines are run to and from the stainless lines. In all the years I've been in the business, I've yet to have a stainless line fail. I have, however, had numerous pumps to go bad, regulators, nozzles, towers, and nylon lines, but NEVER channeld stainless underground lines. Brad, I can see your point in shitty drinks but you can't condone all underground lines for one incident. I've never heard of such happening anywhere, but, then again, that's not really something that would ever make public knowledge in the first place... "Come see us.... Now serving the shittiest drinks in town..." Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Shitty drunk"...  |  IP: Logged Ken Layton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1452 From: Olympia, Wash. USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 01-14-2003 12:26 AM                     At the Skyline Drive-in, our syrup lines just lay on the floor with a board laying on top of the lines.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 01-14-2003 01:16 AM                        quote: from Ken: ...our syrup lines just lay on the floor with a board laying on top of the lines. Yes... and their proximity to the ers is good reason to be concerned, eh?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-14-2003 02:52 AM                     Jason Black, It's a memory I will NEVER forget! Imagine being operated on without drugs. It felt something like that. Still, I see no reason to bury the lines. It just makes things extremely difficult to service. This incident just happens to have been enough for me to never want to see underground lines again. Jason Burroughs, Lovely Cokes they were there, eh? Remember the back satellite stations had the older super-slow pouring nozzles? Those always tasted very good. The Turbo nozzles wouldn't stay brixed and they actually took more time to fill a drink because of the excessive foaming going on. Pouring speed isn't all that it's cracked up to be when dealing with soft drinks. Being the Coke conoisseur that I am (ok, addict), nothing beats a Lancer counter electric unit with standard nozzles, styrofoam cup and crushed ice!  |  IP: Logged Adam Fraser Master Film Handler Posts: 499 From: Houghton Lake, MI, USA Registered: Dec 2001 posted 01-14-2003 10:09 AM                        Barry, since you are only going to have 1 or 2 screens, why not just put your syrup boxes under the counter that your pop machine will sit on. That is what we do and two sliding doors cover the entire compressor, pumps, CO2 tank and everything. I can see where a multi cant really do this as they have many stations and huge CO2 tanks, but for a small operation everything you need should fit under the counter with ease. Pepsi and Coke even supply you with metal racks to accomadate this. That way if you have any problems with anything 99% of the time you can fix it yourself without worring about contamination or ruining your cieling. And if a box goes empty its right there to change.  |  IP: Logged Jason Burroughs Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 654 From: Allen, TX Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-14-2003 10:24 AM                     Brad, you always seemed to have more problems with those "Trubo" heads than we did. But we had issues as well. I'd deffinatly agree with the foaming problem. Have you noticed that no one is using them anymore? (as in new installations) I guess Coke figured out that they didn't work well. Remember those funky machines that Cinemark had that mixed the syrup and water in the cup. I acutally kinda liked those.  |  IP: Logged David Favel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 764 From: Ashburton, New Zealand Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-14-2003 03:46 PM                     Single screen with a "Convertable" Coke model. Underneath the counter we put 2 shelves to hold 10 l fanta, 10 l O.J. 10 l Sprite & 20 l Coke. The CO2 bottle measures 150mm diameter x 750mm high. Basically we built around & under the sink.  |  IP: Logged

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