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Topic: Gods & Generals (& dts) Question
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Bill Langfield
Master Film Handler

Posts: 280
From: Prospect, NSW, Australia
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 02-04-2003 01:20 PM
AT ANOTHER PLACE
I must admit, at times up until about 1996 we at times had the courier hanging around wanting the film at the airport ASAP the night the show finished. (Curfew meant if they missed midnight plane they were stuffed, and it would cost a fortune to road transport it)
So we would run from the platter to 6000's, snap the join at reel 3/4, quickly get the full reel off, and start taking up again on a fresh spool. (Yup about 20-30ft of spool 4 got to hit the floor)
As 4-5-6 were playing 1-2-3 were broken down and ready to go. When 4-5-6 finish, they where broken down within 15 mins.
Compare that to a complete platter break (tear) down. That can't be done in 15 mins.
THESE days at my OTHER places, couriers and management understand this kind of thing WONT happen (helps that the projectors can't take up on reels) So they allow a few hours minimum to break down the print. This applies to day shift. Anything that needs to go out that night, (11pm out by 11.30pm) well is it just is not asked for.
Infact often prints sit there made up for days in the oven or sleeve because no one realy cares when it leaves, then its a matter of getting someone off their ass to break it down.
Bill.
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Mark J. Marshall
Film God

Posts: 3188
From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 02-04-2003 02:07 PM
Brad, they're the older Strong Alpha platters (I'll verify the exact model numbers when I'm back in the theater). They're the ones where the last roller in the take up path has a small switch in it that triggers the platter into take-up mode when the tension pulls the roller tight. To prevent the platter from taking up prematurely and pulling the film out of my hand or scratching the film, I disengage the motor.
A 1 foot piece of permacel tape firmly stuck on the 2nd take up ring in such a way that the end facing the tree is open is all that's needed to hold the film in place and start it winding. No need to tuck the film under the notch or scratch it by trying to wind it around the ring and make it grab hold.
The break is made when the splice is on its way from the variac to the top rollers on the platter. There are no pad rollers on those top rollers, so a smooth "up and over" is all you need there.
Tucking the film in between the last "rocking" take up roller and the little pad roller that's attached to it is indeed the trickiest part, but with practice, you get pretty good at it, and our movies are all fairly well film guarded which not only lubes things up so they slide in nicely with little effort, but also prevents any minor scratching that may occur. Or if you want, thread it through the rollers.
Pull the film through the last roller up to the take up ring, tape down the open end of permacel tape onto the film, spin the platter by hand to get the variac to a middle-of-the-road position, and re-engage the platter motor. You're off and running and free to start tearing down the first half of the movie normally just like it was another movie.
Something else to keep in mind, pay out from the top platter when you do this. Because the wind caused by tearing down over top of a platter that's paying out is a recipe for problems. At least on our platters it is.
You only need to do this ONCE to any print to get a real jump start on breaking down a movie like Gangs of New York, which is already getting out 45 minutes later than everything else. It's not something that we do every week. Only if (when) time constraints are such that a jump start would be a HUGE help.
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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-04-2003 02:38 PM
Oh hell no. Breaking down at a rewind bench takes forever and doesn't do nearly as good of a job as a platter does.
Feel free to clock me and check for any mishandling, but 15 minutes is easy. I do follow a few general tips to speed things up though.
- Always make sure that whoever is building prints puts a mark on the edge of the reel (like shown in "building 101" in the tips section) so you know when you are right on the splice. This is more important nowadays since labs like Deluxe Hollywood can have as many as THREE lab splices in one reel of film.
- Once you get the MUT running, go ahead and pull the frame of film on the leader to be spliced on the splicer and have the reel band (or tape) already unraveled and ready to go. The idea here is that you don't want to waste any more time than necessary when the MUT is not running.
- Use the mondo sized center rings for the last show. Breaking down off of these is much easier to control the platter, as it is not spinning as fast. Plus it puts less stress on the film.
- When a reel is rewinding, go ahead and make sure that whoever built the film DID leave the tail leader on the hub of the next reel. Why people ever remove the tail leader from the reel is something that just makes no sense. You just have to wind it right back on anyway, and it wastes a LOT of breakdown time. Also, make sure that the depot did not clip the reel together wrong, such that there is no drive pin hole to use. You will waste a lot of time if you don't have the reel properly re-assembled before it is time to mount the reel on the MUT.
- Run the mut at a good speed. Running slow puts stress on the MUT motor and doesn't produce as good of a wind. This does NOT apply to the "warp speeds" that the Strong MUTs are capable of! Christie MUTs are at an ideal speed between 80-100%.
- Don't slow the mut down until you are 1/2 inch or less from hitting the splice. Done properly, you can brake the platter (never use the "brake button") with your left hand and slow the MUT down with your right hand all in one clean operation. The film should never develop slack and you shouldn't overtension it during the stopping process either. However once you get the feel for a particular platter, you can go from full speed to stop in 10-15 seconds.
- Don't look for splices. In fact, throw out any colored splicing tape and all marking devices. When braking with your left hand against the platter deck, you should be feeling for the splice between a finger and thumb. The "brake" is from the lower palm of your hand. Once you feel it go through your fingers and you are comfortable with a certain model platter and MUT, you can come to a full stop right at the splicer.
- If you are using a Strong MUT, be sure to curse a lot during the breakdown at Strong for being so foolish as to not permit a place to hold the splicer on the MUT itself on breakdown. I don't know why this helps, but it does.
I'm sure there are more little things that I do, but I can't remember them right now. Disclaimer: people with platters that do not have any sort of breakdown backtension clutch (have to pull the motor away from the platter) are pretty much screwed from saving time on breakdown, as they have to hold the edge of the platter to put manual backtension on during breakdown. If they don't, film damage occurs.
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Gracia L. Babbidge
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 709
From: Bowdoin, Maine
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 02-05-2003 03:25 AM
quote: When a reel is rewinding, go ahead and make sure that whoever built the film DID leave the tail leader on the hub of the next reel. Why people ever remove the tail leader from the reel is something that just makes no sense. You just have to wind it right back on anyway, and it wastes a LOT of breakdown time. Also, make sure that the depot did not clip the reel together wrong, such that there is no drive pin hole to use. You will waste a lot of time if you don't have the reel properly re-assembled before it is time to mount the reel on the MUT.
Amen!
That covers some of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to print break-downs! Granted, it's rare that I'm breaking down a print that I did not build. Yet without fail, when I'm handling a the break-down of someone else's build, I find tail leaders not on reels, reels clipped together wrong, or both. grrr...
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