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Steve Kraus
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If there are no 70mm prints then it's not wide enough! [Big Grin]

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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Warner Brothers seem to have a lot of faith in "GODS & GENERALS" because it is also going to be released in a few DLP equipped theatres. I do not know how many of you are interested in seeing this movie but being an American civil war fan, I have been waiting for this movie for a very long time. I was more than happy with the CD soundtrack last week and I am sure I will also like the movie. Some of my favorite civil war movies are "THE RED BADGE OF COURAGE", "GLORY" and "GETTYSBURG". I have "GLORY" and will replace "GETTYSBURG" on DVD that was stolen recently and I am still looking for "THE RED BADGE OF COURAGE" which was just released by Warner Brothers Home Video.

-Claude

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Mark J. Marshall
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Gods & Generals in DLP? How much hard drive space will THAT take up?

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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I don't know an exact size that it would take up, but most DLP servers I have seen are capable of storing at least two features.

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Aldo Baez
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Luckily I am able to cue just my lights with some modifications I did without closing the douser. It'll be a perfect cue to half lights, then back down again woohoo.

To bring up a previous post by Brad just how on earth would you make the automation turn off the bulb then turn it back on again? Is this using Christie's automation or something different. I'm assuming you would need to have a good grasp of all the wiring.

I am surprised we are going to get this movie, we usually don't get stuff like this. I'm crossing my fingers that it would be put in a medium sized dolby house so I won't have to worry about DTS and won't have to move it during its run but I doubt my manager would do it. And if it IS 4 discs that is going to be a nightmare getting the other projectionists to keep tabs on switching the discs.

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Brad Miller
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Aldo,

The CA21 automations being the gift from the gods can do anything, but even many regular run-of-the-mill automations can do this. Check yours and see if you can't just flip the exciter and xenon control leads such that the start button will fire the motor and exciter (or led) and then 7 seconds later (or at a start cue) the xenon will fire. Pretty simple.

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Paul Linfesty
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According to tomorrow's L.A. Times article on digital intermediates:

In 2001, three films used the process. In 2003 there will be about 40, among them Warner Bros' "Gods and Generals," Disney's "Open Range," Sony's "S.W.A.T.," and Miramax's :Hero."

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Brad Miller
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Joe reported that there are 3 dts discs and there is a note in the cans explaining that during the 8 minute silent intermission, people with 2 drawer dts units must remove disc A and replace it with disc C, then reboot. The B disc must remain in the player at all times.

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Steve Kraus
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March 2003 American Cinematographer reports G&G being shot on Vision 200T 5274 and Vision 500T 5279 with Panavision C and E (older) series anamorphic lenses (because of the number of cameras needed and also because the newer Primos were too sharp for the look wanted). Transfer to digital was via Thomson Spirit Datacine and back to film via an Arrilaser film recorder. They output on intermediate stock but it's not specified if they went directly to a number of IN's for making prints or output an IP and made the IN's conventionally.

What's interesting is that the digital work was done at 2K resolution. DP Kees Van Oostrum: "We worked at 2K resolution which is about half of what we have on the negative, because that's what's affordable today. I think the results look natural. Eventually 4K will be practical and that will be a big step forward." I thought it looked pretty good; much better than Super 35 albeit not as sharp as pure anamorphic without a digital intermediate. Of course the 2K referred to is the horizontal resolution. One presumes that the vertical resolution is upped from what it would be on a 1.85 show by the same proportion than the Scope frame is taller than the flat widescreen frame.

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John Hawkinson
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Is direct to IN really ever done? While it clearly gives you better results, I get the impression that laser film recorder time is pretty costly, and it would limit you down the road when you wanted to produce more INs down the road [perhaps 5 or 10 years].

Maybe that's irrational though. Are there usually backup ("protection"?) INs produced that aren't given to the labs to make thousands of release prints? I guess if they're producing a half-dozen INs, there's no reason they couldn't produce an IP too.

Again, I'm thinking with an eye to someone saying in 2007, "I'd like to strike one print of Gods and Generals."

--jhawk

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John Pytlak
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Recall that Ted Costas (before his move to Dolby) reported that the duplicate negatives made for release printing of "Star Wars Episode 2: Attack of the Clones" were all first-generation laser recordings of the digital master.

The current generation of ARRILASER film recorders take several seconds to expose each frame:

http://www.arri.com/prod/digital/laser/prod/prod.htm

The film normally used is the very sharp and fine-grained Kodak VISION Color Intermediate film:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/lab/5242.shtml

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Steve Kraus
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I always found it interesting that the same film stock is used for both IP's and IN's, like there has never been a need to optimize for either negative or positive.

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John Pytlak
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Basically, the gamma (contrast) is nominally 1.0, and the intent is to perfectly reproduce the image contained in the original negative. The improvement in image quality of Kodak intermediate film since the early 1970's has been very remarkable, and recognized twice by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in 1978 and 1994 with Academy Awards of Merit (Oscars).

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