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Mike Blakesley
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From: Forsyth, Montana
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posted 08-11-2003 03:11 AM

I think all the credits should be printed on a onesheet, which would be shipped in with the film, and "contractually obligated" to be displayed in the auditorium the print is playing in.

People are always complaining the credits go by too fast. If they were on a one-sheet, this problem would be eliminated.

AND, the movie industry could take a big environmental pat on the back for not using all that film for something only 1% or less of the people watch.

AND, the theatre might be able to squeeze in another showtime!

AND, the soundtracks would sell better! I can see it now...."Unused End Title Music Inspired by 'Star Wars Episode III'" or whatever.

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Carl Martin
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posted 08-11-2003 03:44 AM

credit watcher here. when i watch a film, i watch the whole film. no checking the watch, no rubbernecking, no leaving during the credits. kubrick would always (well, as far as i've noticed) leave the words "the end" until the end of the credits. bravo, stanley! but i do wish the damn things were shorter. that way i wouldn't have to crane my neck and shift my knees as everybody else is piling out. my bladder would be happier too.

carl

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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posted 08-11-2003 04:29 AM

quote:
I think all the credits should be printed on a onesheet

You guys do realize that such one sheets would be massively huge, right?

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Aaron Sisemore
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posted 08-11-2003 04:51 AM

For the 70mm 'director's cut' of Apocalypse Now,l there were no end credits. Francis Ford Coppola had the complete credits printed up on paper flyers-you got a copy when you bought a ticket.

I don't know if this was also the case for the 'Redux' version a couple years ago.

-Aaron

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Phil Hill
I love my cootie bug

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posted 08-11-2003 04:51 AM

The credits should be interspersed throughout the film so that everyone would see them! [Big Grin]

When I was a 20-something wannabe filmmaker, I once made a 35mm short film called "An Eye For An Eye" with that method of titles as a joke. To my surprise, it worked very well. [beer]

>>> Phil

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Carl Martin
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posted 08-11-2003 08:27 AM

in many silent films, actors' names are introduced in intertitles when the characters first appear. michael snow's corpus callosum has the credits maybe 2/3 of the way through. i think there are other examples of this too. maybe something by godard?

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You guys do realize that such one sheets would be massively huge, right?

they would be the same size as any other one sheets. but the print would be really tiny.

carl

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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 08-11-2003 08:28 AM

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People are always complaining the credits go by too fast. If they were on a one-sheet, this problem would be eliminated.

Then one would be faced with the problem of fitting literally hundreds upon hundreds of names into a 27" X 41" space, effectively reducing the copy down to microscopic 2 point type -and then still not having any room at all for any actual poster art.

Ah but there's little "art" left in movie posters anymore, just boring photographs of some smirking actor's face and other inane crap like that. I suppose the lawyers would like one sheets if they were filled up with nothing but fine print.

Speaking of fast credit rolls, does anyone remember the zipping by at light speed credit roll on 70mm prints of "The Abyss"? I think the only other times I've seen credits fly by like that were credits at the end of a TV game show. On top of that, the deep blue type on black background was pretty hard to read (particularly in the brightness of 70mm). The credits are run at normal (much slower) speed on the DVD.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 08-11-2003 02:37 PM

I didn't mean put them on the REGULAR one-sheet! I mean a "separate" onesheet sized paper. Or two. Just something to tape to the wall. Put the cast, music credits and filming location (which is all most people look for) in larger type at the top, then use the ridiculous 2-point stuff at the bottom.

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Bill Gabel
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posted 08-11-2003 04:01 PM

Claude

quote:
one of my favorite is by John Conte and the end music he wrote for "The Right Stuff"

It was Bill Conti that wrote the music. Great Score [thumbsup]

Aaron

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I don't know if this was also the case for the 'Redux' version a couple years ago.

No Miramax did not release a little credit booklet like the first run 70MM engagements, back in 1979-80. The only people that got anything was the press at the press screenings in NYC. The Astor run had none.

[ 08-12-2003, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: Bill Gabel ]

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Paul Linfesty
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posted 08-11-2003 05:02 PM

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No Miramax did not release a little credit booklet like the first run 70MM engagements, back in 1979-80. The only people that got anything was the press at the press screenings.

Not true. The public screenings at the Loew's Cineplex Century Plaza Cinemas in Century City (L.A. - now closed) did hand them out at the point of purchasing a ticket. I know, I received one.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 08-11-2003 05:19 PM

To hairsplit even further Paramount (not Miramax) distributed the original "Apocalypse Now" release. Miramax only bought the rights to distribute "Redux" from Zoetrope Studios.

Incidentally, the Paramount DVD release has a something of a duplication of the 70mm roadshow booklet. Copolla also talks about the complete lack of front and end titles on the 70mm print during the commentary of the Kurtz Compound Destruction extra (which was used on the 35mm release prints and caused confusion, making people think there were two endings of the film).

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Aaron Garman
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posted 08-11-2003 07:25 PM

Hello all. As far as I know, the reason credits have become so long is because the unions and guilds have buckled down on making sure everyone involved with the film is given proper credit. Personally, I could care less if the credits are long or short because I always watch them. I think it is just interesting to see how many people are actually working on the film and what they are doing. I remember watching them on FeatDOTcom and there was a librarian on the crew. [Eek!]

Also, I love listening to the score. One of my favorites is Saving Private Ryan: that score from John Williams is just beautiful. I wish I could keep the lights down during the credits because it bugs me when the lights are at half during the credits. People are so used to leaving during the credits, that not having the lights on is just too big a safety risk.
[Mad]

AJG

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R. Andrew Diercks
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From: Marion, Iowa (In the middle of everywhere)
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posted 08-11-2003 08:08 PM

I just see credits as cleaning time. I tell the staff if they are done bagging the house before the credits are done, they are doing well. We always stay out of the way if people happen to be watching the credits but as you all know this is rare.

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Just something to tape to the wall.

Credits on one sheets taped to the wall?! I think we have enough clutter of advertising in the lobbies. I personally don't want 10 more one sheets hanging in addition to my upcoming movie one-sheets, banners, standees, etc. I wouldn't disagree with pamplets sitting on a box-office counter or something. Those that do watch credits would probably take them.

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Paul Linfesty
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posted 08-11-2003 10:12 PM

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To hairsplit even further Paramount (not Miramax) distributed the original "Apocalypse Now" release.

Actually, it was United Artists.

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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 08-11-2003 10:56 PM

I could have sworn Paramount distributed it. How did they obtain the home video rights for all these years?

Well, if UA distributed it, then perhaps that might explain why "Heaven's Gate" was replaced by a print of "Apocalypse Now" after only a couple showings at New York's Cinema One on 3rd Ave.

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