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Author Topic: Lawful Carry of Concealed Handguns Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-16-2004 02:10 AM                     Most CWP holders will never tell you they are carrying it unless you know those people personally. That's just the way it is.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-16-2004 02:15 AM                     Well, Jeremy, that gets back to the point I made earlier about people carrying guns past those "no guns allowed" signs. Some argue about the right to protect themselves with guns. Others may argue about having the right to a safe workplace totally absent of guns. So I make the personal choice of not carrying a weapon into most public businesses, regardless of whether they have a "no guns" sign posted or not. I treat others how I wish to be treated. I sure as f**K don't want any customer who is still A STRANGER looming over my desk packing heat. Our company does not allow employees to carry guns onto the premises. So I sure don't want anyone else doing the same. Sorry, but if I don't know you I sure will not trust you. Trust is only something that is earned. It is not an automatic thing. Now if I am doing something that puts me at risk, such as hauling around a lot of money or some highly valuable property, you can count on me being armed to the teeth. I have a reason to do it. And that's really what it comes down to and why there has to be some sensible discretion made when it comes to granting citizens concealed weapons permits. I don't think it should be very easy to get one. Here in Oklahoma, all you have to do is sign up for a $200 class, attend and the permit is yours. Ulimately, you want any gun owner who carries a concealed weapon to know the heavy responsibility he bears in doing so. Many people see how police officers get into a lot of trouble over a misstep in a volatile situation where their service gun was used. The stupid thing is most citizens don't realize those same rules apply to them. Sorry, but they DO. Oklahoma has this stupid "make my day" law that has lots and lots of potential of getting home owners in trouble. Many in Oklahoma have the very wrong belief that if someone breaks into their house it is perfectly okay for them to shoot and kill the intruder. Little do they realize if the intruder turns out not to be armed, they can go to jail for 2nd degree murder or at least manslaughter. Federal law supercedes all of these dopey, misleading "make my day" laws. If an unarmed man invades your home you have NO right at all to kill him unless he arms himself in some way. If you have the sightposts lined up on him as he picks up a knife out of your kitchen, then you can dispatch the son of a bitch. But not before then unfortunately.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-16-2004 02:38 AM                     Bobby, I think you will discover that I support your opinion in your last post. If some SOB enters my home in a burglary or something like that, I will do my very best to hold that person at bay until the police arrive. However, if that individual makes a threatening advance on me or any guest I may have in my home with the intent of doing bodily harm, I'll blow that intruder's ass to kingdome come. Also, I think assault weapons should be banned. That is a device that is for the military...Not the average Joe Blow citizen.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-16-2004 01:12 PM                     A couple of my friends are police officers. Their advice on the "make my day" law is this. Plant a weapon on him if he is unarmed (such as a butcher knife or a cheapie .22 handgun), or at the very least keep telling the police, "I was in fear for my life." Do not say anything aggressive like, "I'm glad I blasted that f**ker to hell." It is so easy to wind up going to jail for killing a home intruder. I do agree assault rifles are not meant for use by the average citizen. There really isn't much purpose to it. First, most assault weapons on the market, such as a Tek-9 or Chinese SKS rifle (the civilianized version of the AK-47) are junk. I laugh at people wanting to go hunting with such rifles. Give me a good bolt-action Remington or Winchester with one shot capacity and I'll be happy. And assault rifles are crap for home defense. If you're going to use a rifle sized gun to defend your home, you're better off with a good shotgun. If the intruder is in the house, you'll at least have a chance to blast a couple shots in his general direction and be virtually guaranteed of hitting him somewhere. With a rifle, if you miss he may be able to get to you and start wrestling with the gun. Compact sized handguns are the best for home / personal defense because an assailant would have a harder time getting the weapon from you. Not enough barrel to grab. Heckler & Koch makes a very good 9mm that is fairly small in size but shoots a very very tight group right out of the box. I guess to get to the point, an assault rifle ban should not be very necessary since any gun owner with good sense would likely pass up the things anyway. The only motive I see with owning one is so you can modify it to be fully automatic. And even there, I kind of chuckle. Full auto weapons waste lots of expensive ammo really really fast.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Fuentes Mmmm, Dr. Pepper! Posts: 1168 From: Corpus Christi, TX United States Registered: Jan 2004 posted 05-16-2004 02:39 PM                     I agree with you Bobby. Its a matter of trust. In a smaller business its easier because you have a familiarity with the people and you trust them. But in larger businesses, like Wal-Marts, mega-plexes, malls, amusement parks, I guess the law here in Texas is, I have to trust those thousands of people I have never seen before, because a few of them took some $200 class. I dont think so.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-16-2004 02:54 PM                     Jeremy, why am I supposed to believe you know how to drive your car properly? Just because you passed some lame driver's ed test doesn't mean you don't have your head up your ass and won't drive me off of the road. Don't you ever drive again. You are endangering others!!!  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-16-2004 05:13 PM                  Brad, you make a valid point. I don't get what all the hub-bub is about! Here in Los Angeles, it's not a "permit" thing. *EVERYONE*, a legal resident or "illegal alien resident", all have the God-given "right" to carry a concealed and loaded handgun where ever they want. And, to drive a motor vehicle without a driver's license or liability insurance. It's becoming the "American" way. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Fuentes Mmmm, Dr. Pepper! Posts: 1168 From: Corpus Christi, TX United States Registered: Jan 2004 posted 05-16-2004 05:50 PM                     Brad, what is this drivers ed test that you speak of? I never heard of it.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-17-2004 06:05 PM                     Crappy, dangerous drivers can make my blood boil. You have the road menaces who blaze down residential streets at 70mph. And then you have those other folks who insist on driving 20 to 30mph below the posted speed limit. Lots of people get into car accidents trying to avoid either type of driver. I'm foggy on the current statistics, but it seems like somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 Americans are killed on US highways every year. Our homicide rate is, what, about 20,000? And not all of those killings come from guns either (plenty of stabbings, poisonings, bludgeonings, etc.). But gun crime captures far more press attention than a highway accident death. Alcohol-related accidents are usually punished pretty hard and rightly so. But now we're seeing a jump in inattentive driving related accidents and road deaths from things like people yakking endlessly on their damned cellphones. Cellphone use has become a leading cause in road accident deaths, with alcohol retaining the lead. It would be interesting to see how many deaths are caused from carry permit guns versus cellphones used in cars. I have a strong feeling cellphones would come out far more deadly in the statistics.  |  IP: Logged

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