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Mike Olpin
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The employee (opps ... "concierge") assured me that they were not closing next week. I'm still a bit skeptical.

BTW, the place looks awsome! They have really touched up the loby since my last visit. I snaped a few pictures. Also, allthough I give them a lot of flack on the splicing tape, generally showmanship is pretty good there.

Anyhow, If they are closing tonight, they haven't informed there staff yet!

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Joe Redifer
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???

Denver
Cary
Albuquerque
San Diego
Chandler
Ann Arbor
Atlanta
Salt Lake City
Tampa


This link was e-mailed to me. It is the LiveJournal of an Ann Arbor Madstone employee.
Clicky clicky
The lack of respect shown towards the doomed employees is amazing. Some warning should be given.

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Pravin Ratnam
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My comments on these closures is pure disgust. You know, I understand that the corporation may be afraid of disgruntled employees who act out if they let them know in advance. But how about having a strategy like this a couple of weeks before closing "Hey guys, we are trying to find ways to keep this open. There is a chance it might close, or we may incur some layoffs at many levels. If you want to find another job in the meantime, we will understand. But let's hope for the best."
Sure it's a lie, but a compromise that will give employees enough warning. And I wonder what kind of expectations Madstone had for each of these branches? The Madstone in Atlanta have very limited visiblity on the main road since it was in the back of a poorly performing complex with high turnover in stores despite the location being in a busy area. Does anyone here (Mike Spaeth?) have access to numbers in these theaters?
I thought the numbers in the theaters were kind of decent for movies like Pieces of April even if it was hardly encouraging for some of the Asian stuff.

Thanks for the link Joe. Like I said before, your predictions were not offbase.

The article below talks about alternative compensation for members(like what? - a free video of freaking Rhino Eyes?). I know what I am doing. I am getting my credit card to reverse the charges. F*** alternative compensation.

And what does that lady mean "the numbers were not high enough"?
High enough to break even or make a profit right off the bat? It seems like they expected to make more movies to show in their theaters and that plan didn't go well buying them less time for some theaters.

Article from Ann Arbor News

Here are some excerpts:

The Briarwood cinema, which offered an eclectic mix ..., closed Tuesday as part of a corporate restructuring plan, according to Erin Owens, manager of marketing and publicity at Madstone Theaters LLC in New York.

The announcement came as a surprise to Karl Kasischke, general manager of the local theater.
"I found out today," Kasischke said Tuesday afternoon. "It's closing immediately."

The theater employed about 25 people, according to Kasischke. Owens would not comment on what compensation, if any, would be offered to those workers.

"We're disappointed," said Ida Hendrix, general manager of Briarwood Mall ... "They've been doing pretty good here. Their sales were up."

But they were not up high enough, according to Owens.
"We have certain expectations that we expect each theater to meet," she said. "Ann Arbor was just underperforming."

Kasischke said the whole movie industry is suffering right now.
"There haven't been a lot of good films released," he said.

Russ Collins, executive director of the nonprofit Michigan Theater in downtown Ann Arbor, agreed that the industry is trending downward, but said Madstone may have been grappling with more challenges ...

Owens said the company now is concentrating solely on maintaining its remaining cinemas..
Hendrix said Madstone's departure will leave a big hole in the mall, ....

Madstone took over .. a United Artists cinema, in 2002.

The theater's closing is likely to prompt questions from customers who bought into Madstone's membership program. Owens said Madstone will offer some form of alternative compensation to those who took advantage of that offer, adding that members will be contacted by the end of the week with more details.

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Joe Redifer
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Damn I hate being right all the time! [Big Grin]

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Nate Lehrke
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So did the employees get any severance pay? Do the members get anything at all? Does this mean Madstone Films is gone now?

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Mike Olpin
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Nate, as far as I can tell, Madstone has just scaled back a bit. Joe was able to exploit an automated web script to create the official closing notices linked to above.

(just change the value of cityid in the url)

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Nate Lehrke
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So the company didn't shut down? Only Denver, Chandler, Ann Arbor & Atlanta have "closed effective June 1, 2004"

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Mike Olpin
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The company (and the Denver location) is still in buisiness.

As of right now, these locations are open.
Denver
Cary NC
Albuquerque
San Diego
Salt Lake City
Tampa

Whomever does the website did not post showtimes for several of the theatres last week, and did not send out the madstone e-newsletter, leaving us to draw conclusions.

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Nate Lehrke
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You're right about the webmaster not updating; the Denver location closed today.

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Mike Olpin
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Oh. Joe I'med me. I thought he was just pulling my leg and trying to get me to check the madstone site.

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Joe Redifer
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No Mike, I'm not trying to pull your leg. Also as I recall, you IM'd me! [Smile] Supposedly all of the Madstones were supposed to close last Tuesday, but for some reason certain theaters were not informed. Probably because the corporate office barely has anyone there at all. On my way home tonight I passed by the Madstone marquee and snapped a pic. Here it is:

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Anyway Nate, I have no clue about severance pay since obviously I don't work for the company. As for members, maybe Pravin could give us an update? I'm sure Madstone Films is no more. How can you spend 1 million making a movie that only makes $650 or so at the box office?

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John Pytlak
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Madstone had high hopes to start, and bet (and evidently lost) on the promise of Digital Cinema:

http://millimeter.com/mag/video_alternate_showings/

quote:
MADSTONE FILMS

Madstone Films

Madstone Films, the brainchild of film industry veteran Tom Gruenberg and investment banker Chip Selig, is described by its founders as an “incubator” for new digital cinema content. The concept is to put 15 novice filmmakers on the payroll for a two-year period with annual salaries of $50,000 and a full benefits package. How's that for a radical departure from independent filmmaking?

According to Gruenberg, Madstone will shoot and post all projects digitally, retrofit 50 movie theaters across the U.S. with digital cinema systems, and show its product in those theaters. While budgets for these features could support 35mm production (typically, $500,000 to $1.5 million each), the decision was to stay 100% digital and exploit this new form of cinema.

Madstone will provide a collaborative work environment for filmmakers at its Madison Avenue location, believing that the free exchange of ideas, opinions, and suggestions can only result in a better product. The first three filmmakers to come on board are Joan Stein (student Academy Award winner for One Day Crossing), Aaron Woodley (director of short films Bed and Breakfast and The Wager), and Lisa Siwe (director of Happy Birthday and Other Catastrophes).

Nathaniel Bonini, chief technical officer of Madstone, and Jon Thompson, vice-president of international markets, are responsible for implementing the projection end of the process. “We're following the logical demographics that would maximize revenue streams, and not necessarily going head to head with existing theater chains,” states Thompson. “Digital cinema makes sense because 35mm release print quality has gone up and down so much over the years.

“The random quality is a real problem with 35mm prints — even the best movie houses are not providing high-quality projection consistently,” he claims. “Technicolor was far superior to Eastmancolor, but studios cut back to Eastmancolor to save money. Release prints today are very inconsistent in quality. Digital cinema could get us back to the days of Technicolor quality.”

“We're looking at what TI has done with DLP Cinema and want to take it to another level,” says Bonini. “We're happy with the image quality, but feel we can improve on what they started with. If you look at the typical mall cinema image, there already is parity with e-cinema. As far as resolution is concerned, we consider contrast ratio and pixel depth a greater issue. Any system that does not reproduce the look of the director's finished digital product is inadequate in our minds.”

How about production formats? “We won't shoot in film at all. We'll probably use the Panavision/Sony 1080p24 system,” says Bonini. “We're also looking at other formats — after all, it's up to the filmmakers to choose a digital format best suited to expressing their ideas. Madstone will enable directors to use any equipment they want to produce their projects, as long as the format is digital.”

A major concern today, of course, is how theaters will be equipped with electronic cinema projection systems. “Right now, Madstone is looking to acquire a theater chain,” Bonini explains. “The fact is, wherever there is a high-speed data link, we can send the films. The telecommunications infrastructure has become faster and cheaper, so sending content to distributors electronically is better for everyone in terms of cost and quality control.”

“We can also work with competing exhibitors, provided they have e-cinema systems in place,” Thompson adds. “The business arrangements [buy, lease, or rent] will vary from theater chain to theater chain. Our responsibility is to develop the network and get the best looking images on screen. As for the cost of converting to e-cinema, the current buzz is that the studios may get stuck with the bill for upgrades. It's a trade-off — look at the savings in release print costs.”

Will electronic cinema really open up a new world of creativity? “One of the neat things about digital acquisition is the tools we've been seeing in music videos for years, with products like Discreet offerings,” says Bonini. “This is something that someone will really have a field day with. After all, DJs can sample music and don't need a whole band to record. With [similar sampling] technology, you could create amazing and compelling digital films.”

“Let's face it, a director's ideas may be good, or they may be crap,” says Thompson. “But e-cinema shows an idea can stand up on its own and is not limited by film production and projection methods. It comes down to this: If the director made a bad film, don't blame it on the projection system or server technology. We'll make sure those will be top-notch.”


http://www.infocusmag.com/03May/digital.htm

quote:
Fledgling exhibitor/distributor/producer Madstone, long a proponent of digital cinema, appears to be rethinking its digital-cinema efforts.

“It now seems that there will be a lack of digital content in the near term, so for the time being we are projector agnostic,” Madstone CEO Chip Seelig said in a Variety story published March 4.

Two years ago Madstone’s plans called for retrofitting plexes nationwide with digital projectors, and then supplying them with digital movies.

The company, which still plans to produce about one digitally-shot movie annually, currently operates conventional cinemas in San Diego, Phoenix, Denver, Cleveland, Albuquerque, N.M., Ann Arbor, Mich., and Raleigh-Durham, N.C.

Madstone has already announced plans to open six new multis this year, including sites in Atlanta and Salt Lake City. The firm also plans to build by 2004 a new multi in Baltimore.


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Joe Redifer
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I doubt that was written recently.

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John Pytlak
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The Millimeter article was from 2001. The NATO article was last year. The high hopes for Digital Cinema they started with just didn't pan out.

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Mike Olpin
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Called.

Denver - closed
Cary NC - number disconected
SLC - closed
Tampa - open
San Diego - open

It's really sad to listen to the closed messages. The denver guy is really shaken up.

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