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Author Topic: building keys Matt Kerekes Film Handler Posts: 73 From: Rio Rancho, NM Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-01-2004 04:47 AM                     At my building, the managers have keys to the front doors and offices, etc. The projectionists have a key only to the booth, and one projectionist who also does maintenance has a key to the door and an alarm code. Although our building also has different alarm access levels. Managers' codes disarm the safe and everything else. The projection/maintenance code only disarms the lobby and booth.  |  IP: Logged Chase Hanson Expert Film Handler Posts: 172 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-01-2004 09:28 PM                     Managers: Keys and codes to everything in the building Assistant Mangers: Keys to enter Box office, Guest Servies, every stock room and storage cage, booth, also keys for all register drawers and drop boxs. CAN NOT OPEN back office, clean room, vault. Leads: Keys to booth, all stock rooms (but not storage cages containing Inventory items, except the main concessions cage) Projectionists: Keys to access booth. Managers keep a door key on their personal key ring to enter the building in the morning and enter the back office area, at which point they will exchange for thier work keys. All Managers and Assistant Managers have their work keys kept in the vault which can be only accessed by managers. All other keys (leads, Maintence, Projections) are kept in a key/radio room that is only accessible by managers and assitant managers. You are supposed to surrender your personal keys everytime you pick up a set of work keys. On that note: I dont think our Lock and Key service is run by the smartest people around i've been around for two lock changes, both times I was able to alter old keys to work in the new lock and one of those times I was able to take a new key and alter it to work on a couple locks I shouldn't have been able to open. Hopefully I wont get fired tomorrow.  |  IP: Logged Ever Gonzalez Film Handler Posts: 29 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-02-2004 01:19 AM                     Good to know Chase. Why would u do that anywayz?  |  IP: Logged Chase Hanson Expert Film Handler Posts: 172 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-02-2004 02:45 AM                     Well One of the times was like 8 months ago when the locks were changed and we only had one working booth key. I did a side by side comparison, and all they did was change one tumbler, and it was something that could be "fixed" with about 10 sec. of filing. Probably pretty stupid of me, but at the time I was pretty much tired of having to flag people down to let me upstairs every time I had to go to the bathroom.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 12-02-2004 01:47 PM                        What was pretty stupid of you was admitting in an open forum that you were intentionally breaking & entering into areas you weren't supposed to be in in your theatre, especially when said theatre is part of a national chain ... I'm sure someone you don't want seeing that post there may catch something. Your employer locked certain areas for a reason ... why not respect that??  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-02-2004 04:14 PM                        Mike, Agreed. If I ever found one of my employees tampering with keys, they would be immediately terminated. Only my staff leaders (we no longer employ assistant managers) and shift leaders carry keys. They all have full access to everything. The booth crew has their own single key that stays on a ring kept in the booth. When it comes to keys it's pretty simple: Anyone with a key is suspect when/if things go wrong! The fewer, the better.  |  IP: Logged David Yauch Expert Film Handler Posts: 206 From: Mesa, AZ, USA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-02-2004 04:41 PM                     Agreed on the usefulness of restricting access to certain parts of the theatre, but if you are relying on a door lock to stop theft then you've got another thing coming. If you aren't utilizing some sort of surveillance then you're never going to know what happened if something goes wrong.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 12-02-2004 05:29 PM                     As Mike S. said Remember this is a open forum. You do not know who is lurking these forums, that work in this industry.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 12-03-2004 01:38 AM                        The easiest way around the "booth key" problem is one of those 5-pushbutton simplex locks. Cheap, and easy to change the combination to ...  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-03-2004 03:10 AM                        maybe it wasn't a good idea to post about it, but it sounded to me like chase was just trying to get into where he was supposed to be: the booth. due to some futz-up, he didn't have the key he needed. he was being resourceful. carl  |  IP: Logged Chase Hanson Expert Film Handler Posts: 172 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-03-2004 04:12 AM                     Dear Mike, Jason and Bill, Ever Gonzalez = My booth Manager. AND... In the case of the other unmentioned occurences (which remain unmentioned for a reason), the specific areas and alteration requirements were noted for the Facilities Manager, so I wasnt keeping any secrets. They chose not to terminate me at the time, I dont see why they would now.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 12-04-2004 09:33 AM                        Building access is always a worry when there are many keys out there, the day something goes missing , who is held responsible? , why did it happen ? who was in the building ? and many other questions like these are asked. Before I was put into the managers roles everyone had keys , all staff, the Coca Cola man, candy man , film delivery man although they only had access to the lobby it was still a concern all the same. We now have a signature lock on front door with keys given to the Cleaner and the projectionists as they are in charge when I am off duty.  |  IP: Logged David Yauch Expert Film Handler Posts: 206 From: Mesa, AZ, USA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-05-2004 08:19 PM                     Phil: I'll say again what I said above. If you are just relying on a door lock to stop theft, then you are just asking for it. If you aren't using some sort of video surveillance then you'll just have to accept the fact that while you can narrow it down, you're never gonna know for sure. Since we have cameras everywhere here, we don't spend too much time worrying about door keys, although they are still certainly inventoried and anyone getting one has to pass a background check. Not even the pepsi guy has one, and they're here all the time.  |  IP: Logged Kris Brunton Expert Film Handler Posts: 108 From: Napanee, Ontario, Canada Registered: Apr 2000 posted 12-15-2004 10:29 AM                     quote: Nate Lehrke The whole "do not copy" etched into the key is a joke. I have never had a problem getting those keys copied. A good way around this is to have high security keys provided by a local locksmith. Medeco or Primus(schlage) keyways are available from most reputable locksmiths and key control is made easy as only that particular locksmith will have the ability to cut the keys for you. If a theater is giving thought to having locks replaced a master key system can be quite effective. For example one key can be issued to managment that will open all doors, one key for the projectionist may open the front door and the booth doors but not offices, stock rooms, etc... The possiblities go on and can be a simple and effective way of having key control within the building. I feel in any large complex employees signing out keys is a must as in the event of termination/resignation the employee is responsible for handing in keys when he/she is terminated. Another more costly method but very effective can be card access systems. These systems are quite a bit more expensive (around $2000 Canadian dollars per door) but offer managment the ability to have an audit trail of door openings and closings. With the addition of a couple extra readers can be used for a time clock as well as most systems have a reporting feature that can be printed daily/weekly etc. Cardholders are assigned access within a specific group and those groups are set up to have priveledges based on your operating procdure. For example the manager can have 24/7 access to all doors, yet the assisstant manager can only have access between certian hours(1200 - 0100). The projectionist can have access to outside door and booth door between hours of (1200 - 0100). The concession worker has to front door only between (Mon - Fri between 1800 - 2200 and Sat and Sun between 1200 - 2200). All examples but a very flexible system and easy to operate once you get to know them. And from the technical side card access systems are extremly fun to install.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-15-2004 10:47 AM                        Some of the card access systems also electronically LOG everyone that has opened the lock, including date and time of entry. So if something happens, the list of suspects is short. I believe they also can log attempted use of cards that are not authorized for access. Most labs and offices in my building at Kodak have that kind of secure access.  |  IP: Logged

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