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Cameron Glendinning
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A friend of mine just had his stomic removed due to a very rare cancer that seems to occur only with old projectionists. Beware of the carbon dust! It is very dangerous. I wish that I had known about this 20 years ago.

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Steve Guttag
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What I mean by rythmn is much closer to what Stephen said...there is no rush at all...you just get into a rythmn of chaning reels, rewinding, focusing, trimming....and in my case studying (yes, both HS and College were spent running changeovers).

I had exactly one carbon feed lock up on me (Strong Futura IIs)...after that they were pulled down weekly and soaked in varsol overnight. Everynight they were soaked down with regular oil to flush out the graphite of the "arc lube"...each day fresh arc lube was applied. This routine resulted in never having another positive feed going bad (The jaws were kept clean too as was the water). All of this and studying too...it was not bad.

Say Hi to the Norelcos for me...they were in my care in the early 80's (81-87). They started life in the K-B Apex, moved to the K-B Cinema in 1980 for Empire Strikes Back and remained their until the theatre closed just a year or so ago. They used to be one of the finest running pair though they looked like they didn't get the care they deserved in the 90s and beyond...hopefully they have a nice home now.

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Floyd Justin Newton
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Everyone above: I concure with everything that all of you have
said. In my 35+ years of operating Ashcraft Super Cinex carbon
lamps (13.6mm @ 180 Amps) and sometimes 195 Amps for Studio
Previews, I've only operated xenon on a couple occasions. I
would rather work with carbon, because that's what I was there
for... to WORK... not to sit on my ass or play with the children
in the concession stand. When I was in the booth we were the
professionals and acted that way. Not like the pimply faced kids who catch tickets and then run to the booth and push a
button and then run back to the lobby and proclaims, "I ARE a
projectionist!" BULLSHIT! Thats one of the reasons why I wait
for the DVD, or catch a picture on HBO. Better than watching
a crooked out-of-focus picture on a screen.

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Charles Greenlee
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Ahh, we have platter stands, and xenon bulbs. Even then, when I was working 11 screens, the show times could land right where it was hard to get a break, sometimes barely even enough time to dust out the gates. Then you get a nice gap and....they send you on a meal break. Of course I did more than most of the other projectionists, which all they ever did was thread and press start. But yeah, once you develop a rhythm for that week's shows, it's easy. I'd love to get back to basics and try my hands at a carbon arc house that runs a changeover. It'd allow me to get a better grasp of where things came from. BTW, how does the carbon arc compare to the xenon as far as picture, brightnes, and color?

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Cameron Glendinning
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I believe that prints are colour corrected for xenon lamps. Personally I think carbon was brighter and whiter, but that is just my opinion.

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Ron Curran
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One curious thing is that you think you have seen certain films. But you haven't. You may have projected them hundreds of times. All those key scenes happened while you were rewinding, trimming or lacing up.

After we changed to Xenon, we retained a carbon arc machine for a while to give us flexibility with trailers.

One memorable night, we received a replacement print for one that had been pre-destroyed (wandering green tramlines). The show was started on time with the damged print. Then the replacement arrived. A changeover was made to spool 3 on thecarbon arc machine and we frantically made up 4-6, then did a changeover back to the Xenon machine.

Pity I didn't have time to compare the image. Those were exciting times.

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Carl Martin
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quote: Mark Ogden
The last changeover show I saw was years ago at the old UC Theatre in Berkeley, and it was flawless. I stopped to shake hands with the guy when he came downstairs after the show. It’s great that there is a few places left where the old ways are still in practice.

unfortunately, that is a place that is not left. the uc closed in 2001 or thereabouts. do you recall when you went there, and what the film was? was rick the projectionist then (wiry mustachioed 'nam vet)?

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Floyd Justin Newton
Everyone above: I concure with everything that all of you have
said. In my 35+ years of operating Ashcraft Super Cinex carbon
lamps (13.6mm @ 180 Amps) and sometimes 195 Amps for Studio
Previews, I've only operated xenon on a couple occasions.

Floyd, what's the difference between the Super Cinex and the Super Core-lite? They look very similar in photographs.

quote: John Walsh
It is fun to see or operate carbon arc setups; it reminds you of the days when operators really 'worked.'
John, mining coal is hard work, stoking a pair of Lancashire boilers was hard work, deal portering was hard work, carrying hods full of bricks up ladders on a building site is hard work and, a bit nearer to home, rigging a stage for a big rock concert is hard work. Lacing up a reel of film and pressing a couple of buttons every twenty minutes, plus occasionally adjusting a lamp cannot be seriously described as hard work. Carrying the prints up several flights of stairs in an old-style theatre could be hard work, but at least with a single screen there were't many prints to deal with.

A projectionist in a modern multiplex, with many screens to look after, sometimes in several different projection rooms, and with possibly dozens of different prints to move about, carry up and down stairs, make up and break down has to work much harder.

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Mark Ogden
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quote: Carl Martin
the uc closed in 2001 or thereabouts. do you recall when you went there, and what the film was?
I saw Picnic at Hanging Rock there the last time it was revived, sometime in the late 90s. The fellow was very thin with a mustache and light wavy hair. We just spoke briefly, he was on his way out to get a bite to eat between shows, but he seemed pleasent. Probably the man you mentioned. I remember walking from there down to the Reel Movie video store afterward, if that helps with the time line. The Act One and Two were still open as well.

Damn shame this place is closed, it was a beautiful venue.

But looking back, I must have had a mind fart when I posted that this was the last changeover show I saw, because in retrospect, I have seen and still do see quite a few. Everything at the Walter Reade theatre at Lincoln Center and the Titus Theatre at MOMA are pretty much run changeover style. Also, the Castro in San Francisco and the Aero in Santa Monica still spin reels, and I get there whenever I can. I'm sure I've seen others.

And Mitch, thanks for the invite re: the Loews Jersey. Weekend nights are tough for me work wise, but I am determined to get there again at some point. I saw Forbidden Planet there years ago, the show with the original Perspecta sound processor, but I was with a gang of people and didn't come up to look.

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Mark Ogden
And Mitch, thanks for the invite re: the Loews Jersey. Weekend nights are tough for me work wise, but I am determined to get there again at some point. I saw Forbidden Planet there years ago, the show with the original Perspecta sound processor, but I was with a gang of people and didn't come up to look.
Mark, that show was in april 2002, the last weekend of the month, I think; I was there too. I was taken 'upstairs', and also 'downstairs' for a look round one evening, a few days before {looks in passport} I think it was the 23rd, the day I arrived. I've been up in the box there once more since then, I think it was one year later, when Scott Norwood was also there.

I've also been up to the box at the Lafayette, Suffern NY, but not the UCAC, Rahway NJ.
Where is Little Falls, by the way?

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Robert Throop
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[QUOTE] Floyd, what's the difference between the Super Cinex and the Super Core-lite? They look very similar in photographs.
Mechanically the lamps were very similar. The Super Core Lite had a working distance of 29 1/2" and the Super Cinex had a working distance of 33".
I run regular Core Lites at the Capitol in Rome. These also have a recommended working distance of 29 1/2". because of the design of the bases (Motiograph) I can't get the lamp closer than 31". The light is still great though.
Bob

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Robert Throop
I run regular Core Lites at the Capitol in Rome.
I wanted to have a look at that place, but Rome doesn't seem to be easy to get to; trains are not very frequent. It would mean an overnight stay; are there any cheap hotels nearby?

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John Pytlak
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quote: Stephen Furley
I wanted to have a look at that place, but Rome doesn't seem to be easy to get to; trains are not very frequent. It would mean an overnight stay; are there any cheap hotels nearby?

Rome NY is between Syracuse and Albany, near Utica, and near the Turning Stone Casino and Boxing Hall of Fame. Just drove near there last weekend, on the way back to Rochester from Boston. Driving rainstorm all the way, and as you may have heard, the flooding closed the NY Thruway (US Interstate 90) for a day or so.

Rome would be an easy day trip from Rochester, if you come here to visit the George Eastman House museum.

http://romesentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

http://www.innsmart.com/newyork/central/html/oneida.html

http://when-in-rome.com/RomeChamber/summary.html

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A city of 72 square miles in upstate New York, Rome is in western Oneida County and part of the Mohawk River Valley.

The city of Syracuse is approximately 50 miles to the west; Utica, about 15 miles to the east; and Albany, about 90 miles to the east.

Part of the gateway to the Adirondack Mountains, Oneida County is situated with three exits (31, 32, 33) on the New York State Thruway (I-90). Other major highways serving the region are New York State Routes 5, 8, 12, 20, 26, 46, 49, 69, 365, and 825; Interstate Routes 81 and 87 provide access north and south with connections via Syracuse and Albany respectively, a short distance away.

Twenty percent of the U.S. population lives within 300 miles of the Mohawk Valley, with four of the most populous U.S. cities within 250 miles: New York, Philadelphia, Boston, and Washington, DC.


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Mark Ogden
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quote: Stephen Furley
Where is Little Falls, by the way?
Little Falls is 2.8 square miles of Passaic County, New Jersey, around 17 miles west of New York City on Route 3. On the map, we are bordered by Montclair, Wayne and Totowa (home of Thomas' English Muffins [Wink] ). It's a nice little piece of America and an easy commute to my job in the big city. There actually are little waterfalls here on the Passaic River where it runs behind an old carpet mill, but with the last two week's rain we are more like Raging Torrent, N.J.

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Rick Raskin
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Remember the little catch bucket in the Futura II or the catch pan in Peerless? The Union would collect copper drippings, cash then in and donate to Will Rogers Hospital.

2000' Reels -- Just seemed natural. 6K reels were boring. Changeovers were like riding a bike. Easy and you never forget how.

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