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Author Topic: Nightmare Before Christmas in 3D Jared Thornton Film Handler Posts: 58 From: las vegas, NV, USA Registered: Jan 2006 posted 11-01-2006 09:09 PM                     I went and saw this the other day at the new Galaxy Theatres inside the Cannery hotel and casino, and I was really impressed by the way it turned out. The 3D was really well done and I liked the way it gave a new depth to the film that was missing in the original, it actually felt like you were in the film with the characters. I agree that this was a good choice for the conversion process and all the hard work put into this film really paid off. If your anywhere near someplace showing this its worth checking out.  |  IP: Logged Tom Hayes Film Handler Posts: 21 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Aug 2006 posted 11-05-2006 07:13 AM                     I left the UA Horton Plaza becasue the film was misframed and *everything* was being cut off at the bot and bottom of the screen. Seems like 1/2 of the movies I go to see are projected improperly. The glasses they gave out with this film were too small to wear over my prescription glasses. The glasses for Monster House were much bigger and better.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-05-2006 01:35 PM                     Misframed with D cinema?  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-05-2006 02:25 PM                     Is the film flat? Perhaps they were using a zoom lens and projecting in the scope format, that would cut off the top and bottum without showing any other visible signs of being 'misframed'.  |  IP: Logged Paul Konen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 981 From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-05-2006 02:39 PM                     Yes the film is flat. Glasses are exactly the same as were being used for Monster House.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-05-2006 02:58 PM                     But I guess that proves that D cinema is no guarentee that it will be done right any more than with film  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-05-2006 03:45 PM                     Personally I think a threading monkey is more likely to 'get it right' when all they have to do is select 'flat' or 'scope' as opposed to say trying to properly frame a flat movie without hard matting. But yes, D Cinema is not a gaurantee of 'film' done right.  |  IP: Logged Ron Curran Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 504 From: Springwood NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2006 posted 11-05-2006 04:34 PM                        Every bar or club I go into now has a widescreen plasma tv. I know we have an obesity epidemic and the people on those screens confirm it. So if nobody can press the right button on a tv I suppose it must be more difficult on one of those DC machines.  |  IP: Logged Tom Hayes Film Handler Posts: 21 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Aug 2006 posted 11-06-2006 02:31 AM                     Misframing: The film (even the previews and the short before it) had the TOP and BOTTOM projected above and below the screen. The width seemed fine. You could see parts of the film on the black portion of the screen. The glasses for Nightmare were the small green ones while the Monster House ones were more like black Ray-Ban type glasses. The black Ray-Bans fit over my big adult head with glasses while the green ones required me to remove my prescription glasses and then would fog up because they were so tightly pressed against my face. Very uncomfortable plus everything was out of focus for me.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-06-2006 04:03 AM                        I saw this movie and I liked the 3D effect. I don't think it makes the movie any better than it used to be, but it certainly is fun since I am a big 3D fan (not a 3D movie fan, just a 3D fan). I spent 99.9% of the time looking at the 3D rather than paying attention to the story. They remixed the sound and now the voices go all over the place and they are unnaturally loud in the surrounds (but then again I was sitting towards the back). As always, the trailers were about 3 to 4 times as loud as the feature. I guess DLP can't even get trailer sound levels right. This makes my bowels rumble with explosive diarrhea. The show I watched was out of frame as well. The top was cut off significantly. When letterboxed trailers came on, there was a ton of black on the bottom and very little on the top. The credits on "Knick Knack" were really cut off. I was informed that when it runs in "scope", it is framed perfectly, but this is the first "flat" digital movie ever or something like that. The theater is not capable of reframing the image. An expensive team of technicians must be flown in from California just to do that. Also the team that set up the show for Nightmare (I think they flew a team out to do that, not sure) must all completely incompetent if they can't even get the framing right. These things should be checked on installation, and the inadequate "technicians" who set it up were obviously too lazy to do that, otherwise it'd be fine. And judging by previous posts in this thread regarding framing issues, it seems to be a common theme to have an improper digital presentation with this movie. Goes to show you how pathetic Digital Cinema can be. Anyone care to disagree?  |  IP: Logged Mike Babb Master Film Handler Posts: 250 From: Norwich UK Registered: Jul 2002 posted 11-06-2006 06:10 AM                        If it was set up properly you shouldn't see this type of thing. Sometimes a zoom is used format to format, occasionally a touch of lens shift, occasionally a lens change, but you should see as much of the image as the masking allows and crisp edges. There are definitely trailers being sent out that don't match the feature aspect and are letterboxed. Same for Knick Knack, it was letterboxed left and right.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 11-06-2006 08:44 AM                    What does "letterboxed left and right" mean?  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-06-2006 09:05 AM                     It's "pillarboxed" to 1.66.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 11-06-2006 01:27 PM                    Ok, that's what I thought.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-06-2006 02:22 PM                        The edges were all very sharp, nothing overflowing onto the masking. I don't think it is/was a case of the trailers not matching the aspect of the feature since the feature was cut off as well. At the end of the movie, there is a little Disney-animated star that twinkles in the sky. You could only see the very bottom of it. That is the best example I can think of from the movie, though many times the tops of characters heads were cut off in scenes when they aren't even if I zoom in the 1.66-formatted LaserDisc version to 16:9 (and my CRT HDTV has plenty o' overscan where even more of the image hides).  |  IP: Logged

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