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Chad Souder
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 962
From: Waterloo, IA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 11-18-2006 10:20 AM
quote: Bobby Henderson
Doctors and lawyers to hairdressers and bartenders need some kind of certification.
I think the differences are pretty obvious.
Doctors - Could kill you or permanently injure you if they are wrong
Lawyers - Operate in government courtrooms and are pretty important in the whole "due process" thing and other facets of our constitution
Hairdressers - Barbers can shave, cosmetologists can do manicures and pedicures, all of which can have serious health concerns
Bartenders - Deal with federally regulated substances. Rules vary state by state. Many states have no certification required other than age limits.
Graphic arts - One of thousands of free enterprises through which people in this country can attempt to earn a living. Being bad at it won't hurt anyone. It might cost a few people time and money, but then your business should fail if your work stinks.
I think with many of the fine arts, people in the field get kind of a high and mighty attitude about their training, like trying to compare it to that of a doctor or lawyer. You very well may be better at it than most, but everything in this country is supposed to be based on supply and demand. If there is a demand for your high quality graphic designs, you will be called upon to supply it for a fair price. If not (in other words, if having a typographical error on a one-sheet does not affect attendance for the film), people will hack something together themselves and it is up to you to find something you can make a living at. At one point early in my managerial career, I had 6 employees enrolled in graphic design at our local college. Currently, one actually has a job in that field. They all graduated. They were all willing to move. It seems to me as if the demand falls far short of the supply.
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Mark J. Marshall
Film God
Posts: 3188
From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-20-2006 12:17 AM
Haha, yes that's correct. The Brits are often much better with their grammar than the average American.
quote: Chad Souder
How about the kind where out of 535, fewer than 80 are women and that is way up from where it was, say, 50 years ago.
Yeah, I guess you're right. That's only what... 14% or so? Even Iraq's new Parliament is 25% female, so even they have a higher percentage than we do.
quote: Chad Souder
I always thought that gentlelady was an appropriate, although seldom used, form of address for a woman. Is it not?
No, it's not. "Gentlewoman" is a word, but "gentlelady" is not. However there's a problem with using "gentlewoman." If you'd like a lengthy explanation, read on, otherwise feel free to skip the rest of this post.
"Gentlewoman" implies that a woman has some form of nobility or "gentle birth" or breeding. "Gentleman" also has that definition, but applied to a man. "Nobility" is hardly a word that should be used to describe members of the U.S. Congress, regardless what some of them would like to think.
"Gentleman" also has another definition, which is: "a respectable form of address for a man." "Gentlewoman" does not share that second definition. The feminine compliment to that definition of "gentleman" is applied to the word "lady." Some will say that "lady" is the feminine compliment to "lord" which is also true.
So, the bottom line is, "gentlelady" doesn't exist (which is why Firefox 2.0 keeps underlining it whenever I type it). "Gentlewoman" implies nobility - which makes it the wrong word to use when addressing members of Congress. Using "gentlewoman" as the feminine compliment to "gentleman" means that you are also using the nobility definition of "gentleman" when addressing the men of Congress, which is also incorrect.
The words they're searching for, which have been in common use for probably 150 years, are "lady" and "gentleman." The ironic thing is, I guess they're trying to be politically correct and overly proper, but instead, they're speaking incorrectly. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Sorry if I put some of you to sleep. Carry on...
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Paul Van Dusen
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From: Roanoke, VA
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 11-23-2006 07:58 AM
quote: Mike Blakesley
This isn't a typo, but just a stupidity thing. Once I was watching QVC and some chick was selling a tool set, and on the list of tools was:
COMB. WRENCH
Which of course means "combination wrench." She kept on calling it a "comb wrench" (rhymes with home wrench, that is) and how handy it would be to have a "comb wrench" around the house, and how there were a hundred uses for a "comb wrench" etc.
This just reminded me, I need to buy a fin rake for our ice machine. THANKS!!!
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Honestly, I have ZERO SYMPATHY with any of these complaints. Get used to it. Look forward to more bullshit with movie posters. Be happy with orgasmic joy over the mistakes. That is the only option.
The graphic design industry is woefully infected with lots of wannabe talent-less hacks who think they are "artists" since they illegally downloaded hacked versions of Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark Xpress.
The United States no longer requires anyone to have any formal training, any kind of graphic design degree or any qualifications at all whatsoever -or even a decent portfolio of work. Just be willing to work for $6 an hour and have the "honor of being published" (one of the greatest jerk offs of all for any dumb-ass willing to fall for it).
Most professions require at least some proof of competence in order to gain employment in that profession. The United States has not required that of graphic design in many years. And by that measure our level of graphic design has paled stupidly in comparison to that of many European countries for a long time now. That especially goes to northern European countries like Sweden, which I believe (in my EXPERT OPINION) has been factual for at least the past several years if not longer.
The United States is sucking ass in so many areas. We love to pat ourselves on the back about how great we are. But other countries have been passing us by in many different categories while we've been too busy going on about our own stupid pride.
It all gets back to that cheap-ass "good enough to get by" ethic of our current business culture. Fuck ever doing the job right, or even competently. Sluff it off. Charge the customer double for the trouble on top of that!
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You my friend sound like your auditioning for a part in the movie Gung Ho, props. lol
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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-29-2006 07:42 PM
I had tuned out of this thread for a while due, just to control a bit of anger.
quote: Chad Souder
I think with many of the fine arts, people in the field get kind of a high and mighty attitude about their training, like trying to compare it to that of a doctor or lawyer. You very well may be better at it than most, but everything in this country is supposed to be based on supply and demand.
Chad, I invite you to employ any of these "by demand" amateurs to do ALL of your advertising work for you should you ever launch your own business. Hire only hacks. Go on the cheap. Be my guest. After all, the computers are making the art, not the people actually pecking away at keyboards, mouse-clicking and imagining the design concepts.
I find the sort of thing where some ass will download Photoshop or Illustrator and call himself an artist to be even more lame than the guy who owns a nice electric guitar but can't play a damned lick on the thing.
This lack of qualified people doing the work is at the very basis of why we have shit design and typos happening all over the place in mass media. Typos are only part of the problem. Just look at how the "King's English" is butchered on a regular basis everyday. Prince Charles was right to rag on Americans for their misuse of the language.
The United States is in a state of decline and the declining quality of our visual communications is an undeniable symptom of proof in that.
As I've stated in earlier posts, if you feel it is great to have unqualified people doing the job then you have absolutely no right at all to complain over shit quality work. You only get what you are willing to pay for. If you're only going to pay for shit, then you should only expect shit in return.
Frankly, I think anyone who is willing to defend mediocrity in any profession is taking a fucking stupid side. It's that simple and I will not apologize over that stance.
Anyone who wants to back up that stinking bit of idiocy is campaigning to have their own legs cut own from under them at the ankles at some point. "Who gives a fuck if you have a degree, qualifications and know what you're doing!? This other guy is willing to work for $1.24 an hour! Get the fuck out!"
[ 11-30-2006, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: Bobby Henderson ]
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Mark J. Marshall
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From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 11-30-2006 11:41 AM
You could always hire Lindsay Lohan to do your proofreading for you. Here's her condolences letter to Robert Altman's family.
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Lindsay Lohan released a statement Tuesday extending her condolences to Robert Altman's family:
"I would like to send my condolences out to Catherine Altman, Robert Altmans wife, as well as all of his immediate family, close friends, co-workers, and all of his inner circle.
"I feel as if I've just had the wind knocked out of me and my heart aches.
"If not only my heart but the heart of Mr. Altman's wife and family and many fellow actors/artists that admire him for his work and love him for making people laugh whenever and however he could..
"Robert altman made dreams possible for many independent aspiring filmmakers, as well as creating roles for countless actors.
"I am lucky enough to of been able to work with Robert Altman amongst the other greats on a film that I can genuinely say created a turning point in my career.
"I learned so much from Altman and he was the closest thing to my father and grandfather that I really do believe I've had in several years.
"The point is, he made a difference.
"He left us with a legend that all of us have the ability to do.
"So every day when you wake up.
"Look in the mirror and thank god for every second you have and cherish all moments.
"The fighting, the anger, the drama is tedious.
"Please just take each moment day by day and consider yourself lucky to breathe and feel at all and smile. Be thankful.
"Life comes once, doesn't 'keep coming back' and we all take such advantage of what we have.
"When we shouldn't..... '
"Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of yourselves' (12st book) -everytime there's a triumph in the world a million souls hafta be trampled on.-altman Its true. But treasure each triumph as they come.
"If I can do anything for those who are in a very hard time right now, as I'm one of them with hearing this news, please take advantage of the fact that I'm just a phone call away.
God Bless, peace and love always.
Thank You,
"BE ADEQUITE"
Lindsay Lohan
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Martin Brooks
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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: May 2002
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posted 11-30-2006 09:11 PM
There's a big difference between complaining about the poor quality of much design and being angry that people without training are performing the services that you trained for.
The fact is that in all artistic professions, even those that require some technical skills, there are qualified and unqualified people who have been trained and there are qualified (or at least talented) and untalented people who haven't been trained. The Beatles never had any formal music training. Should they have been banned from performing music? Should Bob Dylan been forced to get a license to be a poet just because there are lots of bad published poets?
There has always been good and bad art, design, photography, acting and singing. In the past, there were technical and/or financial barriers as well as limited distribution channels that limited the number of people who could be "heard". Many of those technical, financial or distribution barriers no longer exist and so more people are creating. This, by definition, makes for a decline in general quality.
You sound very angry. I suspect this is because you feel that those you deem "unqualified" are taking work away from you. If you feel threatened by those who have far less talent than you, than the problem is yours. That's a like a clothing designer of top-end clothing feeling threatened because Wal-Mart exists to sell crap.
It sounds like you'd be much happier if the government would step in and license designers. You want the government to be the design police? Do you really think that's enforceable? Office workers would be banned from using Photoshop if they weren't licensed? Should we not let people use Word unless they prove they can write? These are just tools.
Licensing means almost nothing. Architects are licensed because if they don't design properly, the building might fall down, but there is plenty of really horrible architecture everywhere. Certification means nothing when it comes to aesthetics.
You want to argue that much design is really bad? Fine, I agree. You want to argue that the availability of Illustrator and Photoshop has made it easier to create bad design? Fine, I pretty much agree with that as well although there were plenty of bad mechanicals and certainly plenty of bad photography made in pre-computer days. You want to argue that as a society, we create crap? I agree with that as well. So what? There is still more high quality design, art, music, performance, etc. available than any one person can absorb in a lifetime.
All one can do is try to create the best work they can and hope the market responds to that. There are still plenty of people who get paid quite well to create great design. A look at any of the design annuals that are published proves that fact.
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