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Author Topic: One-Sheet Typos Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-01-2006 10:44 AM                     quote: Martin Brooks You sound very angry. I suspect this is because you feel that those you deem "unqualified" are taking work away from you. Martin, you're missing the point. My disgust over this issue doesn't come from any personal situation. I'm doing just fine. The problem is the graphic design field used to be a respectable profession. That's no longer the case. These days the general public just pisses all over it, thinking that graphic design is an easy job and that anyone can do it since computers are involved. The Beatles and Bob Dylan don't work at all as a comparison. Guys like Bob Dylan and John Lennon had lots of talent. There's a lot of people trying to do graphic design that have no talent at all. But they're doing it anyway since the computers are making the art. Most people can recognize good music when they hear it and even identify some of the elements that make the music work well. They know bad music and especially bad singing when they hear it, and often are not afraid to confront it with laughter and ridicule. The same doesn't hold true on knowing good graphic design from bad, much less spotting any of the elements that makes a design go bad. The creators of bad graphic design are rarely, if ever, confronted about the poor quality of their work either. Most laypersons don't have the guts to tell them the work looks terrible. quote: Martin Brooks There are still plenty of people who get paid quite well to create great design. A look at any of the design annuals that are published proves that fact. The design annuals of Print and How is not what the general public sees in their everyday lives. Pick up your average local newspaper. Outside of major publications, most look like shit these days. Even some of the big ones look bad as well. Drive through commercial districts in any American city and you'll see lots of really crappy looking signs and billboards. Even a lot of major retailers have unremarkable signs. Decades ago American businesses both large and small took more pride in how their stores looked from the road. That sort of thing is more rare today. These visual problems would not exist in so many areas if: 1. all the people doing the work had any talent or aptitude for the job. 2. all the people doing the work understood basics of handling type, color, visual communications & problem solving skills one would gain from taking classes or at least reading books on the subject. None of that is going to happen while the current level of disrespect for the graphic design profession continues -and has people stooping to defend the mediocrity resulting from all the amateur hour design. Here's a pretty good website lampooning this subject: http://www.baddesignkills.com The site has a lot of visual "propaganda" designed to ridicule bad design. I like this mock up of an Adobe software box:  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-01-2006 01:21 PM                        quote: Bobby Henderson Pick up your average local newspaper. Outside of major publications, most look like shit these days. Even some of the big ones look bad as well. Maybe what you consider "bad design" is just the new modern way of designing. Magazines these days are in love with making their pages look "artsy." PREMIERE is one of the worst offenders, and ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY is another, and ROLLING STONE is yet another. I would think those publications could hire the cream of the designing crop, yet they put stuff sideways or backwards or upside down (or any combination thereof), use dark type on dark pictures, split words up all over the page, use odd looking fonts, etc etc etc. I guess they think it looks cool but it just makes things harder to read. Maybe we're all just getting old(er)? I guess it beats the alternative.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-01-2006 03:29 PM                     My complaint isn't with efforts some magazines do to be "artsy." I'm familiar with the stuff going on in those magazines you mention. Even if a graphics person comes up with a theme I find ugly, at least I can give the fellow some points for coming up with an actual design scheme in the first place. My complaints are directed more toward the folks who repeatedly make obvious rookie mistakes in design. These people are not usually found on the staff of a major magazine. More often they're found in print shops, small ad agencies, sign companies and small businesses with an "in house graphics person." Lots of times the hack will be someone moonlighting as a graphics person trying to design web sites, letterheads and other stuff for businesses. The only way that stuff affects me negatively in a direct manner is when I have to deal with poor quality customer provided art files. I've raised prices on the time it takes to fix technical issues. But the crap keeps pouring in. And everybody gets to see it on a billboard for a few months or up on a sign for years. Ugh! I try to do as good a job as possible in my own design work -in part as an attempt to try to cancel out some of the tide of terrible crap all over the landscape. Sadly, I have only so much time I can spend coming up with my own creations. It seems like more and more of my time is spent fixing other people's shit work. At least our business cash flow is good.  |  IP: Logged Evans A Criswell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1579 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-01-2006 04:03 PM                        I can understand some of what Bobby complains about, because I have known a lot of people who weren't cut out for computer programming, and were not capable of making it in college, and several years ago a shockingly large percentage of them were calling themselves "graphics designers". They were basically unemployed college drop-outs not capable of holding a steady job and went around looking for "Photoshop" work and took anything they could get. During the "dot com" boom, it was very common. Designing graphics and web pages were the thing to do for all these guys who couldn't seem to do anything else. This gave the field of computer graphics design a bad rap because in many people's minds, the term "computer graphics designer", instead of being associated with professionals with experience, invoked the thoughts of inexperienced college drop-outs trying to take advantage of a trend. For a professional in that field, I could see it as being infuriating.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-04-2006 05:28 PM                       Hey, check out the end credits of "Happy Feet"! By chance, I just happened to look out the porthole, and caught a typo in the music listing for "My Way". It reads: "Performed b Robin Williams". That's the first time I believe I've ever seen such a mistake in movie credits.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-04-2006 08:42 PM                     One mistake in end credits that made me laugh was the end titles to the IMAX version of Fantasia 2000. The titles were rendered in so low of resolution all the pixels on the edges of letters were clearly visible like bricks in a wall. The sad thing is I see a good number of photographs in major magazines badly pixellated in that same manner. Very basic details like using the appropriate resolution for the type of output (print, video, film, outdoor, etc.) doesn't seem to matter as much these days. Ah, don't worry about it, it's all digital!  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 12-05-2006 01:54 AM                     My name was misspelled in the credits of this movie. Last name was spelled Coates, which I'm used to hearing people mistakenly say, but even after I spelled it correctly in the contract it ended up wrong in the final version. Name is spelled correctly on the IMDb page...but only after I sent in a correction! (Since I was just a lowly crew member and not a department head, my misspelled name didn't make it onto the one-sheet.)  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 12-05-2006 03:42 AM                     quote: Michael Coate My name was misspelled in the credits of this movie. Dont you mean My name was misspelled in the debits of this movie. most of my on screen credits have been debits unfortunatly  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-05-2006 09:52 AM                        My favorite typo is carved in stone at Hank Williams grave (actually, on his ex-wife's tombstone). There is a message from Hank, Jr to his mom informing her that "she left to soon."  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-08-2006 05:01 PM                       quote: Hey, check out the end credits of "Happy Feet"... It reads: "Performed b Robin Williams". So, has anyone else seen this, or was I just imagining it?  |  IP: Logged Daniel Fuentz Expert Film Handler Posts: 230 From: Fresno, CA, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 12-09-2006 03:49 AM                     I just happened to see this directory sign at my local Wal*Mart the other day...  |  IP: Logged Cory Isemann Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 500 From: White Plains, MD, USA Registered: Jun 2004 posted 12-09-2006 11:16 AM                        Tim, I looked, but couldn't remember the song title. So i tried reading them all as the credits were rolling. A futile attempt to catch such a small error. You must have bionic eyes or something!  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-09-2006 01:10 PM                        When we played the movie FRESH HORSES some years ago, our marquee kid put up: FRESH HORES  |  IP: Logged

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