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Jonathan Althaus
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quote: Julio Roberto
Was that real Imax they showed it in or just 2K digital fakeMax?
RealMax, could hear the proj's running during a really annoying 10-15 secs of black at the beginning before 40-ft James Cameron started talking to us.

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Jeremy Jorgenson
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RealMax sounds too much like Real D ... let's just keep calling it IMAX eh? You could specify 15/70 if needed. [Smile]

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Jonathan Althaus
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I could just call it Awesomeness, but yeah I'm pretty sure it was IMAX 15/70

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Andy Bajew
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Am I still the only one who thinks this looks like World of Warcraft..?

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Jonathan Althaus
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Did u see it in IMAX? Because I can see how the small screen versions can be seen as warcraft-ish. But not the large format.

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Julio Roberto
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Well ... at best, it would've been a DMR Imax blow up, as not a single frame of this movie was shot Imax 15/70.

What's more, most of the parts of this movie that are not pure CGI (which is just like 10%), weren't even shot in 2K but in plain old HD. Not that the difference in resolution between those formats of 1998x1080 vs 1920x1080 make a whole lot of difference. The rest, rendered 1998x1080 for digital 3D engagements. Which, on their majority, will show it at 4:2:2 10 bits ~4.5fl ... so just about the same resolution as 1080p HD (i.e. blue-ray) but blown up to much-much larger screen sizes.

Plus it's doubtful this movie will be released at all in Imax (as oppossed to fakeMax), as few theatres in the world (any?), specially four months from now, will be able to show a +2.5 hours 3D 15/70 film, unless perhaps they edit it down for those length restrictions.

And even if it does show at all in Imax, +95% of people worldwide will see it in 2D or regular Dobly/RealD/Master Image/XpanD 3D/Nuimage/Dual digital 3D. You know ... your usual 1998x1080 4:2:2 10 bits if it goes flat or 2048x858 4:2:2 10 bits if they release Scope in most cases. And hoping you hit a theatre with a triple-flash projector less than about a year old.

Getting it in 35mm won't be any better, as that resolution will suffer some loss when transfered to (analog) film and then replicated in one-or-several generations to make the print and it will be 2D only.

Sure all movies "look better" if they were shot/projected in (real) Imax. But that doesn't mean they should look like crap in HD, just that they should look a bit better in traditional Imax.

But movies are not made-or-break just on image looks alone. The bad ones will continue being bad. Perhaps a tad less bad, but not a whole lot of difference.

I have never seen what World of Warcraft looks like, but I have seen videogames that looked like what was shown in the teaser, except perhaps a bit less perfectly modelled/rendered.

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quote: Julio Roberto
as few theatres in the world (any?), specially four months from now, will be able to show a +2.5 hours 3D 15/70 film, unless perhaps they edit it down for those length restrictions.
How many minutes is this movie?

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quote: Julio Roberto
Plus it's doubtful this movie will be released at all in Imax (as oppossed to fakeMax), as few theatres in the world (any?), specially four months from now, will be able to show a +2.5 hours 3D 15/70 film
There have been 15/70 releases over 2.5 hours - three this year already! (Watchmen, ROTF & Potter) And Half-Blood is 3D so it's not a platter issue.

quote: Julio Roberto
not a single frame of this movie was shot Imax 15/70
Well, nothing is shot 15/70 ... that would be 15/65. [Razz]

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Julio Roberto
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Wasn't aware that so many Hollywood titles, even if only a handful a year, were still being released in traditional Imax. Specially the really long movies.

Anyone knows roughly how many venues around the world could, come December, play the film 70/15 or if it's slated for release in that format at all?

Just curious, since any advantage of having it printed in DMR'ed Imax is hardly any better than, say, dual-digital, i.e., anyway.

If anyone wants to take a peek at one of the scenes shown while it lasts in this Cammed clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5LyXiFUSbI&fmt=18

(Usual spoilers warnings apply)

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quote: Jonathan Althaus
Did u see it in IMAX?
No, I actually saw it on the smallest screen in our cinema. Actually, probably the smallest screen in town.

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The blue guy from Hellboy looks more realistic than this guy. Obviously this one is CGI. I hope these are not the finished effects. Cameron has always been a strict overseer of production quality. The movie looks like the story of the blue guy from Hellboy on steroids.

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The story I read online said that the effects in the trailer are actually earlier renders of the stuff shown at Comic Con this year. I don't understand why they wouldn't release a better trailer, with a freaking better sound mix. The sound was atrocious.

quote: Jonathan Althaus
Did u see it in IMAX? Because I can see how the small screen versions can be seen as warcraft-ish. But not the large format.

Does this really affect if the movie looks Warcraftish or not? I saw it on a 71'/31' screen and it didn't change the look of the film from seeing it on a smaller screen. Still looked like crap. By the way I don't see a Warcraft movie here at all. That movie would be way darker.

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Frank Angel
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quote: Julio Roberto
few theatres in the world (any?), specially four months from now, will be able to show a +2.5 hours 3D 15/70 film, unless perhaps they edit it down for those length restrictions.

Well, instead of editing it, they could put in an INTERMISSION just they way every 3D film in the 50s did. Problem solved.

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Julio Roberto
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LOL [Big Grin] [Razz]

The original hi-res is here:

http://www.hollywoodpocket.com/avatar.jpg

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Joe Redifer
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LOLERCOASTER!

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