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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Chris Slycord
First you say that you haven't seen the text at all, so you have no clue how well (or poorly) written it is then you conclude that lawyers will tear it to shreds? So, I must assume that your conclusion is based on both your lack of knowledge as to what is in the statute and your lack of experience/education in law.
No, I postulated that copyright law was the underlying crime, and said that a lawyer would tear it to pieces--copyright violation, not the law they were referencing. As the woman, as far as the story notes, was recording the film, she was recording her friends and the movie happened to be there, it is going to be hard to prove any intent to copy in such a way to violate the rights of the holder of the copyright.

On the other hand, the law may not have an underlying copyright violation, in which case, no need for the lawyer to rip the copyright claim to shreds. [Wink]

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Bill Enos
In response to Chris comment that only the woman was guilty, not so, a person who knowingly allows a felony to take place can be charged also, and these people should be if she is convicted of anything.
But none of the people you named knowingly allowed it to occur. That is, unless you don't understand the word "knowingly."

Hint: You can't knowingly allow something that you don't know about. Like if a guy came to your shop and asked to speak to your coworker, then blows her brains out when she comes to the front, no one can say "Bill knowingly allowed the crime."

quote: Brad Miller
But the manager no doubt acted like he/she did due to the brainwashing of Valenti and company, and as such turned off their brain to deal with the situation.
To an extent, I agree.

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Mike Blakesley
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Just for info and entertainment purposes:

We just got the latest camcord report from NATO. Here is part of it. (I took the actual theater names out because that info is not supposed to be shared on a public site.)

I just share this to help debunk the notion that camcord movie theft is a rarity. It's not, and it could be happening in your theatre.
quote: The NATO weekly camcord report

· Full camcord of “The Twilight Saga: New Moon” was found online and traced back to the xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx theater. This is the second camcord from this theater identified in the last few weeks.
· Full camcord of “Ninja Assassin” was identified on a pirate website. Forensics identified the xxxxxxxxxx in xxxxxxx, Florida as the source of this copy.
· Full camcord of “The Blind Side” was acquired in New York. This copy was traced back to a new-hit theater – the xxxxxxx 8 in xxxxxxxxx, Maryland.


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Jonathan M. Crist
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Looks like CNN has now picked this story up and the young lady will have her 15 minutes of fame.

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Ian Parfrey
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.......and this is just what the MPAA wants.

Job done.

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Todd McCracken
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quote:

I just share this to help debunk the notion that camcord movie theft is a rarity. It's not, and it could be happening in your theatre.

quote: The NATO weekly camcord report
· Full camcord of “The Twilight Saga: New Moon” was found online and traced back to the xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx theater. This is the second camcord from this theater identified in the last few weeks.
· Full camcord of “Ninja Assassin” was identified on a pirate website. Forensics identified the xxxxxxxxxx in xxxxxxx, Florida as the source of this copy.
· Full camcord of “The Blind Side” was acquired in New York. This copy was traced back to a new-hit theater – the xxxxxxx 8 in xxxxxxxxx, Maryland.

Im surprised they share that much info with you. We do some watermarking and if I even mentioned what continent it happened on I could be terminated quite quickly. But I reckon if the studios give the OK to release said info it could well inform the ignorant that yes we can indeed tell what house what hour and darn near what seat a film was recorded from.

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David Stambaugh
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 - posted 12-14-2009 08:51 AM      Profile for David Stambaugh   Author's Homepage   Email David Stambaugh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Charges dropped, film's director spoke in her defense... link to story

quote:
Charges dropped in 'New Moon' incident
22-year-old woman accused of pirating 'Twilight' movie
Associated Press

Dec 11, 2009, 12:33 PM ET

CHICAGO -- Charges have been dropped against a 22-year-old Chicago woman accused of videotaping part of "The Twilight Saga: New Moon" at a movie theater.

Cook County prosecutors on Friday announced in court that they won't pursue charges against Samantha Tumpach.

Tumpach was arrested Nov. 28 in the Chicago suburb of Rosemont and faced a felony charge of illegally copying the film.

She had about three minutes of "New Moon" on her digital camera. Tumpach has said she was taping her sister's birthday party and wasn't trying to record the movie.

The film's director, Chris Weitz, came to Tumpach's defense. He told the Chicago Sun-Times there's a difference between trying to protect a copyright and prosecuting someone who didn't mean to commit video piracy.


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Brad Miller
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Wow, common sense prevails.

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Jake Spell
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Glad to see there's still some of it around.

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Joe Redifer
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No kidding.

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Scott Norwood
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So, is the MPAA or the theatre owner planning to compensate the taxpayers of Chicago for the public resources (police, court, etc.) wasted as part of this charade? Will the girl be compensated for her time spent in jail? She did do something stupid, but the response by the theatre was way out of line, as this thread indicates.

Will the theatre manager still get his "up to $500" reward?

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Ed Alvarado
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that BS she should go to prison just like the MPAA ads say it doesnt matter if it was for personal or just 3 minutes of video footage she broke the rules and it clearly states NO RECORDING rules are rules and now they are gonna let her get away with it?

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Justin Hamaker
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quote:
The film's director, Chris Weitz, came to Tumpach's defense. He told the Chicago Sun-Times there's a difference between trying to protect a copyright and prosecuting someone who didn't mean to commit video piracy.
I still think it's unfair to try and put the burden on theatre staff to try and determine a person's intent. While it may be clear cut if someone has the intent of capturing the whole movie for distribution, how are we supposed to know whether someone is capturing clips to put up on MySpace or YouTube.

I would rather follow procedure and let the police or the prosecutors sort out intent.

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Julio Roberto
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The woman is now suing the theater, saying that her arrest was "pushed" by the theater's employees to collect the $500 reward the MPAA offers. She claims this was the incentive for having her cuffed and escorted from the theater to a waiting squad car. Despite police officers recommending to just ban her from the theater and destroy the data, the theater's employees demanded she be arrested and charged.

Once Ms. Tumpach arrived at the local station, police officers called the MPAA for advice. They explained that she had been in the theater for an hour and seven minutes and had recorded a little over three minutes of the movie. The MPAA recommended the police department destroy the 195 seconds of footage, write up an incident report and release Samantha. However, the theater manager again insisted that a felony had been committed and demanded that the woman be charged.

After spending a couple of days in prison, the charges were dismissed months later by the court.

She is now seeking damages for $50,000+ for malicious prosecution, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence and defamation.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/07/moviesuit.pdf

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Brad Miller
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I hope she wins. I really hope she wins.

3 minutes of a movie is not going to do anything but possibly INCREASE attendance, even if she put it up on youtube.

Had she been actively trying to copy the entire thing I would feel differently.

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