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Ian Parfrey
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From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E
Registered: Feb 2009

posted 04-27-2010 04:34 AM

John

Here's our house tag list-:

"You wouldn't steal a car"

....and....

Kung Fu Panda- "No cell phones-No Talking"

That's it.
How bloody exiting.

Management just wont spring for any others.

I've considered bringing in my "Spaceman Intermission" but I figured why bother. It's minty but starting to fade.
[Frown]

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Phil Blake
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: esperance western australia
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posted 04-27-2010 05:56 AM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
You'd all better be hanging around the editing rooms or at the back door of the film lab. This is where many "screeners" escape from.

i guess no one likes to look in their own back yard first.

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Alan Plester
Expert Film Handler

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From: great yarmouth england
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posted 04-27-2010 07:07 AM

I remember when superman came out,in england, all the cans were sealed with colour changing tape,and you only got one can delivered a day, and you had to ring the renter to tell them which can had been delivered, you got the final reel on opening day,a projectionist at one of cinemas actually took some unopened reels home for safe keeping,went to work on the day of opening superman, and found the booth had been entered by outsiders,unlucky 4 them not to find anything.

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John Wilson
Film God

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posted 04-27-2010 04:00 PM

quote: Alan Plester
a projectionist at one of cinemas actually took some unopened reels home for safe keeping

Ha! Didn't happen to have a 35mm projector or two in the house per chance? [Cool]

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Alan Plester
Expert Film Handler

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posted 04-27-2010 05:11 PM

I can see where thats coming from John, but on this occasion no. He
just thought it would be a good idea.

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Julio Roberto
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From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain
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posted 04-28-2010 02:10 PM

Don't know why they bother.

Just saw by chance there is a good quality copy out with spanish subtitles for download on the net.

[Confused]

I wasn't even looking and was just surfing for information on kick-ass release date in Spain, so it may have been out for a while...

I downloaded the first 10 minutes or so chunk and indeed it's real.

Oh, well.

They need to realise that movies are going to be pirated and shared on the internet a day after (or before) they are released in cinemas and that those that are willing to see them in the inferior pirate format are going to do so regardless. Only if the movie is actually worth it, and I'm not talking only about "artistic quality" but also spectacle and expensive action crap, people get their asses out to watch them for $10+popcorn the right way.

And stop wasting all this money that REAL customers obviously end up paying on extremely expensive anti-piracy stuff that obviously will never work when any kid, anywhere in the world, can pop out a $100 HD cellphone and tape the whole thing and upload it 1 hour later to the entire planet.

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Ian Parfrey
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posted 04-29-2010 02:35 PM

Julio's right on the money.

Proof positive that its the screeners that are the major source of piracy.

..but it's not THEIR fault, is it? [Roll Eyes]

Here's an idea Studio Guys.

You know the "bug" that sits in the corner on FTA television? Modify that to watermark your screeners and see what happens.

..and stop stuffing up the audio tracks with fart noises, all of which does nothing except trash the very product you are trying to sell.

Time to look in your own backyard.

Hey, only trying to help. [Cool]

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Joe Redifer
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posted 04-29-2010 03:12 PM

Kind off topic, but today I received an e-mail from some lawyer guy asking if I'd seen the audio drop-out anti-piracy thing on any prints from Technicolor or if it had only been Deluxe.

Odd. Not sure why he picked me to ask but I'm sure he found me here.

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Julio Roberto
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posted 04-29-2010 03:33 PM

Kind of off topic, but if the anti-piracy CRAP, watermarks and audio fingerprints ever start becoming really effective, just rest assure that methods to defeat all of them have been perfectly devised.

Some as simple as taping the shows twice and mixing the two images/audio 50% (or better yet, with a random % that fluctuates through the movie+a bit of noise).

Those that thought that CRAP/equivalents, audio drops or digital picture/watermaking is an EFFECTIVE anti piracy method are addicted to cool aid.

Sure they CATCH a few, maybe even many (careless) "pirates" after the fact. But the truth is for every kid they catch taping, there is another one with a brand new cellphone waiting in line at the BO in Czechia* ...

*DISCLAIMER: just to choose a random country that sounds remote. If you are from Czechia, please substitute for Guam.

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Paul Mayer
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posted 04-29-2010 03:57 PM

I always liked Leo Enticknap's "Sodomistan" for use in cases like this. [Big Grin]

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Brad Miller
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posted 04-29-2010 03:59 PM

The audio forced-dropout is in the same place on every print. I was curious and wound through 4 different prints of Crystal Skull and it was frame accurate. They do it during loud scenes intentionally, but the stupid part is that if the SR is properly calibrated, there is no way a videocamera (or cell phone) microphone would pick it up.

It is apparently just a Deluxe thing...or Technicolor knows how to do it properly. It is the same thing with the CAP coding. The Deluxe version is hideous, yet the Technicolor blends in fairly well.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 04-29-2010 05:36 PM

quote: Ian Parfrey
Proof positive that its the screeners that are the major source of piracy.

That list doesn't prove anything, because the movie is not playing in theatres yet. Check the list again on the Monday after opening weekend and see how many screeners vs. how many cam copies there are.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with screeners; it's definitely a problem. I am amazed they still make the damn things.

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Ian Parfrey
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posted 04-29-2010 06:16 PM

quote:
That list doesn't prove anything,

It proves everything.

The whole point is that it is NOW available on Torrents and it is NOT available to theatres.

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Jonathan Althaus
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posted 04-29-2010 08:00 PM

And the print will be locked unti 3pm EST May 6th. Reels 1,8, and trailers.

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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 04-29-2010 09:52 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
Kind off topic, but today I received an e-mail from some lawyer guy asking if I'd seen the audio drop-out anti-piracy thing on any prints from Technicolor or if it had only been Deluxe.

I got the same letter. And, yes, I think he used Film-Tech to gain the contact info. I actually sent the guy a response saying I didn't know which movies have had this audio watermarking and that I was skeptical it would even work. Bootleg camcorder recordings are so typically so low in quality it would be easy for shit like CAP code and audio hiccups to fuzzed and muffled out via the poor recording quality.

I also said the DVD screeners were the real problem. If I was running a movie studio I would severely curtail or even completely eliminate the availability of DVD screeners. Any actor, critic, executive or whoever else would just need to see the movie by planting his/her ass into a theater seat for 2 uninterrupted hours -just like the rest of us common folk.

quote: Ian Parfrey
The whole point is that it is NOW available on Torrents and it is NOT available to theatres.

I've been saying the same thing for years. The problem is the folks running things in Hollywood movie studios don't want to acknowledge the truth. They love the convenience of DVD screeners too much to get rid of them. And there's enough people out there buying into their line of bullshit that piracy is all the fault of commercial movie theaters.

If the freaking movie is already available on the 'net before the movie is playing in commercial theaters there's no way those piracy leaks could be blamed on theaters. Anyone trying to blame those leaks on theaters is an idiot.

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