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Michael Riley
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 - posted 04-29-2010 10:17 PM      Profile for Michael Riley   Email Michael Riley       Edit/Delete Post 
For the record, anything that's currently out there right now claiming to be a bootleg of Iron Man 2 be it a cam or a screener is just a dummy file uploaded by people with nothing better to do. Usually it'll just be a bad cam of another recent film renamed and uploaded as Iron Man 2. Sometimes it'll just be a virus. Either way, the movie isn't currently out there yet, and if it were to be, it'd be pretty well known and reported in the news, similar to what happened with Wolverine last year.

Does locking the cans really accomplish anything? If someone was bound and determined enough, they could certainly cut the lock off with bolt cutters. Most of the film cans Deluxe uses are decades old and falling apart, so it's not like the hinges on the can couldn't easily get damaged either. I also love the threat of "being reported to the proper authorities". I imagine if you work for Regal or AMC this probably means the person is HR who has the ability to fire you. It's not like the legitimate authorities would waste their time investigating someone without any substantial evidence that a crime was committed, beyond a broken or missing padlock.

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Michael Voiland
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 - posted 04-29-2010 10:22 PM      Profile for Michael Voiland   Email Michael Voiland   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Was that who that guy was. I got the same message asking about dropouts in indy.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 04-29-2010 11:25 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe the guy is gathering some info for a class-action lawsuit.

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 04-30-2010 09:43 AM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
From my view, the locks on the cans aren't meant to stop pirates from stealing film prints. They're meant to stop theatres from running shows ahead of time. This could stop potential theatre-employee camcording. As much as screeners are the source of stolen movies, camcording DOES happen too.

And it would also stop unscrupulous venues from running early shows for "special" groups of customers before the official opening date too (such activity was reported here in some other thread).

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 04-30-2010 12:17 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Mike Blakesley
From my view, the locks on the cans aren't meant to stop pirates from stealing film prints. They're meant to stop theatres from running shows ahead of time.
The locks are there to keep the honest people honest. Anyone who really wants into those cans could get into them. There are multiple ways I have heard of from bending the latches back by the rivets to youtube videos on how to pick the locks.

My biggest issue isn't the locks at all, but the fact they lock REEL 1 and the trailers in there! That's just the studio guys being assholes. Most theaters will get 2 or more prints of this, yet they won't be able to get much done until the last minute when it turns into a panic "speed build" to make it for the midnight shows. That is hardly in the best interest of your presentation and film care.

To the studios, there is NO EXCUSE for you to be like this. Just lock the LAST 1, 2 or even 3 reels up. Anything more than that is asking for resentment at the theater level, making them more tempted to turn their head the other way when a camcorder DOES find its way into the building to get back at you for making their Thursday evening hell. Let them get MOST of the print built, as it won't take too long to wind the last couple of reels on at the last minute. (Trailer packs can take projectionists longer to build than a few reels too, depending on their expertise.)

And remember, it's only a movie. Yes piracy is a bad thing that can have ramifications right down to the concessionist at a theater, but Jack Valenti has really done a number brainwashing this entire industry FAR beyond mere education on the matter to a point of paranoia.

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Jeremy Jorgenson
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quote: Jonathan Althaus
3pm EST May 6
When I got that fax I wondered if they meant "EDT" or if Paramount has decided to damn the man (and daylight saving time) and just stick with standard time for the whole year.

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Michael Riley
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and what happens when at 3pm on Thursday, you build that movie with no time to screen it, and it turns out that there was a factory error with Reel 1 causing sound loss and / or discoloration? What if you unlock that can and find that someone at the depot messed up and placed an extra Reel 2 in there instead of the correct reel? Does Paramount compensate theaters for lost revenue if this results in lost or canceled shows? Sure, this may not be a problem in a Megaplex that has 4 or more different prints they could potentially run, but what about the smaller locations that may only have one or two? Surely this must have happened at some point.

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Julio Roberto
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 - posted 04-30-2010 07:12 PM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There are at least 3 REAL versions of Iron Man 2 in the wild that I know of in the internet. A spanish subtitled, a spanish latin audio and a spanish castillian audio.

If the laws in your country allow these downloads, go ahead and check it out yourself from your favourite torrent site.

I just downloaded a small chunk of the spanish castillian audio version to compare the quality and it's a bit worse (someone with a camcorder in a theater and the audio is also recorded live in a theater).

Regardless, if they were trying to prevent internet piracy somehow with all those ... let's call them lame measures, they were obviously dreaming. Those measures only cost money, inconvinience greatly paying customers and MAY in some cases help DELAY a couple of hours the spread of pirated copies in the internet or may help in catching A COUPLE of guys responsable after the fact, which would do nothing to stop piracy itself other than punish SOME of those who "start it up". And always at a pretty high cost.

So what's the solution? I don't think there is one. Try to save as much money as possible to lower the cost of distribution/exhibition and pass the savings to customer with cheap tickets to watch good prints that have been made-up and checked with plenty of time and cheap discs w/o warnings and crap at the beginning which customers can just push "play" and watch at their homes.

And this last part is no joke.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-avatar-blu-ray-consumers-cant-watch-DVD.html

http://www.answerblip.com/avatar-blu-ray-consumers-cant-watch-dvd

quote:
An unusual glitch has angered some “Avatar” Blu-ray owners. For these unlucky people, since the disc won’t play on their Blu-ray players, their new “Avatar” DVD serves no real purpose other than to sit idly on the coffee table.

“When 3 out of 3 players in my house (Denon, Samsung and PC) won’t play it, then 20th Century Fox should be slapped with losses on this one,” said one irritated customer.

In reality, the disc works fine; the problem stems from the Blu-ray players themselves. In order to run optimally, the firmware for these fancy DVD machines needs to be updated regularly via a download from the Web. (“Firmware” is the program that controls the performance of an electronic device, which would be, in this case, the playback of a Blu-ray disc.) If a Blu-ray player owner doesn’t have a home Internet connection, the chances are good the player’s firmware will be out of date. Thus making “Avatar” — a movie that prides itself on being presented with only the most cutting edge of technology — unplayable with the older firmware.

Unfortunately, people without an Internet connection probably aren’t reading this particular story — or the hundreds of other pieces instructing new Blu-ray player owners on how to upgrade. So they’re not aware of the root of a problem. But while they may not have home access to the Internet, they likely do have a telephone. And they’ve been using their phone to flood retailers with angry calls.

Still, that only seems to be part of the problem for “Avatar” owners.

It appears the main culprit concerning playback issues with “Avatar” is, ironically, the disc’s DRM (digital rights management). DRM, which is the very technology meant to prevent bootleggers from illegally copying the film, is the very technology preventing people who actually paid for the disc from watching the film. Even with updated firmware, a lot of Blu-ray players weren’t prepared for these security measures.

The response so far from Fox on the Avatar issue to paying customers ... none yet. It will probably be: send your blu-ray player to be serviced so it can play our movie or buy a new player.

Otherwise, there are PLENTY of trouble-free pirated copies of Avatar in all formats, languages, shape and form (and yes, including NATIVE non-recompressed blu-ray HD) on the internet. For free. Those play just fine in all blu-ray players or PC's, since they are pre-stripped of all DRM and region codes and locks.

What are they thinking? Don't they realize that the whole world is connected on a network to share information and that even if they succeded protecting their films in 99% of the world still some russian hacker would manage to put it in the web or, worse comes to worse, someone with a good HD camera and LCD monitor can just re-tape it and offer a fairly good pirated copy around?

Those that want the pirate copy, will always get it. Those that want the original, want a decent good deal $$$ and one that works and is trouble free with maximun quality.

[Roll Eyes]

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Michael Gonzalez
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I have found (but not dl) at least four different copies out there all Camcorders and all in Russian (no english language version yet).

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Todd McCracken
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 - posted 05-03-2010 07:28 AM      Profile for Todd McCracken     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
From what I understand a English version hit yesterday [Frown]

I really hate it when this type of thing happens pre-break.

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