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Mike Blakesley
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There should be a website somewhere that lists all of the "old" movies that are available as DCPs. Right here on F-T would be a good place, if it wouldn't be too much hassle to keep up the data.

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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Scott Norwood
As for BR vs. 35mm: I have never seen B&W video projection that looked anything like film. An argument can be made for color material, but B&W just never looks right on video.
Certainly doesn't look as good as a GOOD 35mm B&W, but if you are not getting them from the archives the BR/DVD's look much better than what generally circulates.

We don't do classics enough right now to go through the hassle of dealing with archives, but it is definitely in our future. Have to redo the theatre first.

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Edward Havens
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Mike, good luck with that. I recently asked the person in charge of repertory titles at one of the major for this very list ("Can you please give me a list of your titles currently available as DCPs?"), and the response I got was essentially "We don't have a lot of DCP titles, and we don't do DVD/Blu-Ray licensing."

I didn't ask about DVD/Blu-Ray licensing, and I know this company has at least 50 titles available as DCPs, since my theatre has been all digital since the day it opened three years ago this week and I've played every single one of their releases in those three years.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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> Can you please give me a list of your titles currently available as DCPs...

For repertory, that is only a third of the question. For anything other than the "big" titles, you need to know what resolution the source material was mastered at, and the condition of the source material. The fact that it is a DCP file may mean it will look stunning, or it may mean that it will look no better than a dvd.

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Bill Enos
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The only titles that reliably bring significant audience are "Goonies", "Princess Bride", and "Big Lebowski", and "It's A Wonderful Life" on Dec. 24 & 25. Wonderful Life typically brings
600 to 800 on Dec 24 @ 8:00pm. We also screen lots of others for rental groups. We use Blu-Ray whenever possible and project using a Barco 2048 scaler and Barco DP100 projector. Last Dec. one of our nut case film aficionados commented how nice it was to finally see Wonderful Life on the big screen with an excellent print. We told him no different.

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Justin Hamaker
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I had not thought of doing It's a Wonderful Life at 8:00pm on Christmas Eve. Normally we are completely dead Christmas Even and run our last shows in the 5:00 hour. I was planning on running Wonderful Life or Miracle on 34th Street as a free show on Christmas Eve morning.

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Geoff Jones
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quote: Justin Hamaker
There is absolutely no apparent difference between the Blu-Ray and our regular DCI movies.
Digital cinema - Indistinguishable from what you can watch at home!

quote: Justin Hamaker
More to the point, this is about seeing the movie up on the big screen
How big? The average movie-goer tends to sit in the back third of the auditorium. I wonder how big a screen has to be for it to *seem* bigger at that distance than their 40 inch plasma *seems" from the couch.

Sorry to make hay over this Justin, but if you are showing someone's favorite older movie, you are probably the only theatre showing it on the planet. And if someone makes that trip thinking that he's going to see a film, only to find out that you are showing something he has sitting on his shelf at home... Well that sucks, in my opinion.

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Michael Putlack
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quote: Geoff Jones
If someone makes that trip thinking that he's going to see a film, only to find out that you are showing something he has sitting on his shelf at home... Well that sucks, in my opinion.
I've been to two classic screenings at an AMC in town. The first was a very scratched DVD, the second was a BluRay played through a standard def preshow projector, and that one froze in the last scene and everyone got readmits. D'oh.

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Peter Castle
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Has anyone dealt with a company called MPLC (Motion Picture Licensing Corporation) who supposedly provide blanket licenses for screening from DVD (and I presume BluRay). They seem international (have their own UK website version) and provide coverage for non-profit and for paying presentations.

I'd like to be able to show movies that are no longer available in Australia on 35mm or DCP, but which can be purchased on disc, perhaps even from Warner Archive. I don't really want to charge for these screenings, but sometimes we have short (admission charged) movies which we'd like to turn into double bills by having a free show, after a suitable intermission.

We do not advertise off-campus, although our website is read by non-university people who do come to our screenings.

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Carl Martin
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screening a blu-ray of a "classic" movie (i.e. something made and originally shown on film) is anathema to me. i'm probably in the minority there, but i'll agree with geoff that the very least you can do is be upfront about it so you don't piss off diehards like me, and do a little to educate the whole audience.

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Justin Hamaker
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quote: Carl Martin
so you don't piss off diehards like me
Basically what you're saying is the story, characters, and performances are all secondary to the way the picture is presented. That you can't enjoy a good movie unless you know it's projected through film.

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John Wilson
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If you're worried about what it's going to look like and their reaction, just stick to Blu Ray and say 'In Digital Projection'. People love the DIGITAL word and they will rarely be actually able to complain with any real grounds.

DVD on the other hand...well, you're pushing it on a big screen.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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> Basically what you're saying is the story, characters, and performances are all secondary to the way the picture is presented.

No. What is being said is that if you are running video, we can see that at home, and those of us who care about seeing it big, can see it proportionally big at home. We go out to see classic films to experience it as the original audience did, not an electronic reproduction of it.

Look at it this way, how many people would go to art museums if they replaced their oil paintings with actual size photo's of them? It may look the same to many, but not to those who care. It would not be the same experience.

Finally, hiding consumer video behind the word DIGITAL is getting old fast, and trashing the words value for promotion. A patron who sees a crappy DIGITAL presentation will not know or care that it came from a DVD, they will look upon all DIGITAL as crappy, or at least inconsistent in quality. That will not be a good thing.

My favorite way of annoying theatre managers is when they say it is a DIGITAL presentation, I ask "are you streaming this from Netflix?". DIGITAL means nothing, all current consumer video is digital.

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Edward Havens
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quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
We go out to see classic films to experience it as the original audience did, not an electronic reproduction of it.
Of course, the irony of this statement is that, even if you see a 35mm print of a classic movie like The Wizard of Oz or Gone With the Wind today, 99.99% of the time it's not going to be the same experience as the original audience. The print is likely to not be the same kind of film base as the original audience saw, not out of the same kind of projectors, in the same kind of theatre, with the same kind of sound system.

So the question becomes whether it's more important to present classic titles with the best presentation one is possible of, or only presenting these films if one can duplicate the exact experience as the original release. The vast majority of us cannot do the latter, but if we can do the former and do it well, then that is more than merely acceptable.

After all, why do we go out to the movies at all? Why do we not wait for everything to be available on Blu-Ray or Netflix or VOD or HBO or ABC Family? It's because going out to a cinema and experiencing a movie with others is important to us on a social level, and it's important to us to get out of our dwellings from time to time. It's not only about the movie or the way it is presented.

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Mike Blakesley
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There's also the "size" of the sound in the room. That's something that can never be duplicated at home, unless you happen to have a 3000-square foot room at your house.

And there's also "getting out of the damn house" which can absolutely never be duplicated in the home.

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