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Author Topic: Day and Date Update James Wyrembelski Expert Film Handler Posts: 114 From: Beaverton, MI, USA Registered: Sep 2015 posted 03-28-2016 12:38 PM                     Yep, you're correct My beef is basically that ALL brick and mortar businesses are facing assault. What's the common denominator here? Social connection and value. Read the comments under that article....sound familiar?? "I havent been in one since the 90's" "the concessions are horrible and over priced" "Run down and smelly" No one wants to go out like they used to. Some don't have time. And the common complaint? Its too expensive. They no longer see value when they can be ENTERTAINED at home for a fraction of the cost. yes, the two are separate in product, but they are both entertainment venues. Even that article point to the fact that our social connections are drastically changing. In my opinion we're eroding. Why go out when everything at home is half the cost and you can just talk to each other via the internet? Thus having an impact on ALL of these industries.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-28-2016 02:32 PM                        Well - comments under articles like that are not exactly scientific. Besides, we already know that only 11% of people go to movies. Lots of those people are under 18 or over 50 and thus probably don't do a lot of commenting on websites. But I agree with the whole "eroding" concept. Around here, young people used to cruise around town for fun. They don't do that anymore -- in the 70s, the main drag would be teeming with vehicles every night until midnight, later on weekends. Now, even on a Saturday at 9:30pm you could throw a dead cat down the street and not have much of a chance of hitting anything. People are sitting home staring at screens.  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 03-28-2016 06:07 PM                     quote: Bobby Henderson Executives always have some kind of exit strategy. 100% spot on. This is the biggest problem with corporate America. Companies are not built for the long term anymore. The entire goal going in is to plan an exit strategy. I can guarantee you that the goal of Screening Room is to show growth and get bought out by Netflix or some other larger company. The only long term companies formed are ones that get there almost by accident like Google and Facebook. Also, a memo to the studios. People don't want fast access to movies on other platforms, they want CHEAP access to movies on other platforms. When some millennial says they want to see Batman vs. Superman on their phone, they mean they want to pay $1.99 (or better yet, nothing) to watch it. They don't want to pay a premium price for instant gratification.  |  IP: Logged James Wyrembelski Expert Film Handler Posts: 114 From: Beaverton, MI, USA Registered: Sep 2015 posted 03-31-2016 06:40 PM                     Most certainly Mike. Same thing in this town. Even just within the last decade town has changed SO much as far as night life. Even just 10 years ago in this town at 2pm on a weekday you couldn't even move it was so busy and kept on going until 11 at night. I know the economic downturn has hampered a lot of that. Especially since Michigan was the ONLY state in the union that had negative census data. But, its been vastly improving each year. I hope the trend continues. I'd like to clarify too that my postings also largely are trying to point out that it seems as if there is a glaring issue with articles and opinion on the internet that are completely trying to immediately invalidate any "old" ways or "old" businesses that are still doing quite well in an era where the entertainment pie has gotten exponentially larger and more ferociously competitive.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-31-2016 08:45 PM                     Got on the tail end of this, but still have to add: Goes all back to when television came out where it scared the studios and cinemas to no end. Thus, visual ways to keep them in the theatre seats and out of the homes were: the Anamorphic processes, VistaVision, Cinerama, then IMAX, and the similar. Then sound with multi channel and the gadgetry of 3D. It all worked and worked well. Sure, let these home based entertainment venues try to take hold, but people still are going to get out of the house, go to their venue of choice, and want to be entertained, where in a way, it's still cheap entertainment compared to other entertainment events. .. the magic and the trill of it all.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-31-2016 11:47 PM                        We know there are always going to be people who want to get out of the house. The question that looms above all is.... are there enough of them? How many people who NOW go to the movies would be "converted" to home viewing by schemes such as this? When (it's probably no longer smart to say "if") day-and-date ever becomes mainstream, I can see it eventually siphoning off at least half of our business. Not because of anything we are doing wrong; it's just that we won't be able to compete on price, which is going to be the big driving factor, with convenience a close second. And it won't happen right away; it'll be slow and painful. How many of us can live with half or less of the business we have now? I don't think we could here.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 04-04-2016 05:22 PM                     Movie theaters aren't dead yet. They survived TV, the video cassette, the DVD and they will also survive instant-streaming. This particular scheme, if it will ever get off the ground, will fail miserably. First off all, they will never sign up all the large studios. They might convince a few semi-independents, but the door to the real beef will remain shut. Maybe the studios hate the exhibition industry, ever since the end of the studio system, but they're not going to slaughter the goose with the golden eggs for an early Thanksgiving. If even Amazon chooses to release their productions to theaters first, I'm pretty sure the exhibition industry is not dead just yet.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 04-05-2016 10:26 AM                     We know there are always going to be people who want to get out of the house. The question is, what do they want to do when they get out? I have my doubts as to whether or not they want to go out to see something they can see at home. That said, I don't think the exhibition industry is doomed, but in major markets there are far too many screens, and in smaller markets too many marginally profitable locations. These current day and date at home schemes are not currently viable enough to make a significant dent in exhibition, but I suspect that day is coming.  |  IP: Logged Christopher Lani Film Handler Posts: 62 From: Ely, Nevada, USA Registered: Nov 2013 posted 05-03-2016 11:56 PM                        This may be an attempt to target the Baby Boomers and the perception that they don't like theaters because they are assumed to be filled with loud, cell phone using ruffians.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-04-2016 05:43 PM                        Here's another article featuring an industry idiot, more outspoken than most, who hasn't got a clue apparently about how his own business works. Relativity Chief Dana Brunetti on Sean Parker's Screening Room: It Should Go Even Further "It's controlled too much by the movie theaters," Dana Brunetti, the producer-turned-president of production at Relativity Media, said of the way in which films are released on the latest episode of the 'Awards Chatter' podcast, in which he wholeheartedly endorsed Sean Parker's idea for day-and-date distribution, The Screening Room. "I've been preaching and saying that for years, that we need to go day-and-date." The thrice Emmy-nominated House of Cards executive producer actually feels The Screening Room model doesn't go far enough: "They're saying $50 and people are going, 'Well, that's too expensive.' I disagree. I think it should be $80 or $100, and if it's a bigger and more in-demand movie, then have it be flexible pricing. The reality of it, though, is it ends up being cheaper for a lot of people — think where you go, you valet your car or park your car, you get popcorn, it's $20, you get a babysitter, you have to be there at 7:15 — just that aspect of it is a pain in the ass for a lot of people. ... I can pause it when I need to get up and take a leak, I can pause it when I want to get up and get a beer, and I can sit on my couch in comfort, I don't have to have a babysitter, I don't have to drive anywhere, I don't have to park and if I want to start it at 8:23, I start it at 8:23 as opposed to having to be somewhere at a given time." He continued: "It's going to come, and that's why something like Screening Room has a lot of industry players that are involved with it. The people that are involved with it — they can see the forest through the trees, whereas the theaters, they really need to get with it. It's an old model. They can make it beneficial to them, as well. How this industry has been for so long is, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' But you know what? Look at the taxi drivers? They're pissed off and they think Uber is the worst thing in the world, but you and I probably think Uber is the best thing in the world. I go to Vancouver and I think, 'What the hell is wrong with this place?' I don't think the oil industry is happy with Tesla. But guess what? Times change and things are changing and they change for the better. It goes back to, 'Give the people what they want, how they want it and they'll pay for it.'" In March, the 42-year-old vowed to THR, "If I ran a studio, I would flip [the current dynamic]. You want to show my films? You pay me, and I'm going to take a piece of your concessions." Now, as of late April, he does run a studio, so what's his current gameplan? He says on the podcast, "It's not something that I'm gonna be able to change overnight, but as the opportunities make themselves available I'm definitely going to push that way whenever I can." Hollywood Reporter article  |  IP: Logged Ram Melegrito Film Handler Posts: 12 From: Mandaluyong City, Philippines Registered: Dec 2014 posted 05-05-2016 12:46 AM                     Good luck then on recovering your $250 million budgets.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2016 08:03 AM                        Didn't Relativity just go bankrupt?  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 05-05-2016 09:35 AM                     > You pay me, and I'm going to take a piece of your concessions. Didn't Disney try that at one point? I don't think that worked out too well for them, but at least they had other businesses to keep them afloat until they came back to their senses.  |  IP: Logged Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 05-05-2016 03:55 PM                     LOLOL What a dumbass. The industry is obviously filled with jackasses like that pushing and pushing.... why shit is as garbage as it already is  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 05-05-2016 04:08 PM                     quote: Some Hollywood Douche Producer It's controlled too much by the movie theaters, No, it's not. It's entirely controlled by the studios you work for. quote: The Same Guy The Screening Room model doesn't go far enough: "They're saying $50 and people are going, 'Well, that's too expensive.' I disagree. I think it should be $80 or $100, and if it's a bigger and more in-demand movie, then have it be flexible pricing. You see, here's the reason why the exhibition industry doesn't have to worry about those guys. It will blow itself apart before any harm has been done if studios would let those boneheads make the decisions for them. quote: Martin McCaffery Didn't Relativity just go bankrupt? They went bankrupt last year, the fault of the movie theaters I guess... But Hollywood loves fairy tales and recycling, so they decided to screw over a few of their creditors, recycle themselves and un-bankrupt themselves a month or two ago.  |  IP: Logged

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