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Frank Angel
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I did my own survey. At a dinner with people of a wide range of ages and different areas of expertise (only a handful of movie industry types), some middle-agers with their wives and some 20 somethings, I asked if there were a service that allowed you to get first run movies like Captain America - Civil War or the Starwars movie at home on the TV the very same minute it opened in the theatres, would anyone be interested in seeing it at home instead of going to the multiplex. The 20 somethings showed a bit more interest than the others who were mostly just curious. Then I said, to get a first run movie with this service, each movie would cost $50 a pop... would you still be interested? They started laughing amid shouts of "Are you effin kidding me...50 dollares?! NO WAY, etc.

Granted in the moment none seemed to take the time to do the math about how many people they could get to their $50 screening; they were just reacting to the price. It was obvious that $50 a ticket hit them as a much to high price-point for a movie ticket. One woman in her 60s looked at her husband who evidently wasn't exhibiting as negativity about it as she would have liked and she said, "You put $50 on our credit card to see a movie and you will be watching it from outside the house."

Point is, the reaction to a $50 charge for most people...and I am talking about many who are middle to lower-upper class folk who aren't exactly counting their pennies, is a sizable chunk of change; it seems that a $50 price tag as too expensive to shell out for a movie and the reaction was mostly negative. Of course the way they were thinking about it was that it was the equivalent to the price of a single ticket to a movie.

Maybe in the end if they were to figure the economics of it more carefully in terms of the additional costs associated with going to the a theatre verses stay home, they may see that it isn't as expensive as it might seem at first blush. I am only pointing out that I think the cost factor may be a much bigger psychological stumbling block that the proponents think.

While the group was visibly negative about the ticket price, they didn't seem all that concerned about the $150 set-top box. I guess they parallel that with other electronic set-top gear that they need to purchase or rent for service and $150 seemed reasonable, but it was the $50 ticket price that got the big guffaw.

If the studios support this, it way wind up being a limited niche market which may not have the dire consequences for exhibitors that we can all imagine. After all, there was a niche market for Laserdiscs with people willing to shell out $30 for a movie (adjusted for today's inflation, that probably was more like 50 bucks). And that market always remained marginal. Then again, they weren't offering day and date titles on laserdiscs either. Thing is, just cause the technology may work, doesn't mean it will catch the public's fickle magic threshold to make it take off.

And then of course, the first time someone buys a tripod and a high-end digital camera and aims it at his 4K OLED screen and makes a decent copy, one MUCH better than what that guy in a trench coat gets off a screen in the theatre and without the stress of some usher wandering in and calling the FBI and the MPAA...the jig will be up - "The Screening Room service responsible for 6 BILLION DOLLARS in revenue loss do to the piracy of NN blockbuster title." Nice thing about that, the MPAA won't be able to blame the movie theatres!!

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Frank Angel
Granted in the moment none seemed to take the time to do the math about how many people they could get to their $50 screening; they were just reacting to the price.
I never thought about that angle... so if a guy (let's call him Bob) thinks he's going to save money for all his friends by having them all over to watch the newest movie, that's real nice for them but Bob still winds up paying the 50 bucks! Plus they all need to plan to go to Bob's house at the same time...gotta hire a babysitter, the whole bit...gee, it's not that different than going out to the movies. Then there would be some asshat who yells out PAUSE IT! I GOTTA TAKE A PISS! at the exact wrong moment, and some idiot would be on his cell phone, and other people would want to be visiting, and there are only so many "good" spots in front of the TV, etc. And everybody's gotta bring their own snacks. Then Bob has to clean up the mess afterward. So I can see where the bloom would fall off that rose pretty fast, especially if Bob is a guy who really wants to watch the new movie without a bunch of distractions.

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Brad Miller
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All that security and yet there's not a damn thing stopping people from pointing their videocamera at the screen and uploading it within a couple of hours of it being released from the privacy of their own home.

This is sure to work out nicely for the studios I'm sure.

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Steve Guttag
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I actually envisioned more of a "movie club" sort of thing where several people in the neighborhood get the service and they take turns playing "host" for movie night (sort of like poker games, bridge games...etc.) You get 3 or 4 families/couples in on it and you really cut your costs way down versus going out to the theatre (especially when you factor food in there).

As for camcorder...are you kidding...direct record it digital. It isn't like HDCP isn't already busted. That said, one would have to think it is watermarked in some manner such that either direct record or camcorder would be tracable to the "entrepenur" .

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Bobby Henderson
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Exactly. The pirates wouldn't take long to figure out how to hack the feed. Then they would have another source for pirated movies featuring digital video and multi-channel digital surround sound. After all, the studios are still providing those screener discs to VIP types who can't soil themselves by watching a movie in a movie theater.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Steve Guttag
I actually envisioned more of a "movie club" sort of thing where several people in the neighborhood get the service and they take turns playing "host" for movie night
Yes but then you still have all the pain-in-the-neck things I listed in my post above. It's still people leaving their house to get together with other people to watch a movie. It's just a different venue -- with the studio making way less money.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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While the "movie club" idea has some merit, it is a sketchy assumption that various friends are going to kick in the cost of the film rental to watch a movie at another person's home.

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Steve Guttag
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They don't "kick in" the costs. They take turns being the host. Say...Wednesday night is "movie night" and you take turns at each house...or maybe with less dates like only once a month...whatever the group wants. The more friends that participate, the cheapere it is for everyone.

Or everyone in the "club" dupes the movie and hands the others SD cards with the movie of the week. You no longer need go out and meet up but have again cut your costs to less than going to the movie theatre and the studios make less money...again, a lose-lose for the industry.

I maintain the premise of the whole thing is just plain wrong. This is a market that is already served. Nobody has to go to a movie theatre to see just about any movie. You just have to wait until it is released to home streaming/disc or premium channel. Typically 3-6 months after theatrical release.

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Eric Hooper
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The people who would be interested in this are already downloading Captain America off of the torrents already.... [Roll Eyes]

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Randy Stankey
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I think the whole idea is silly.

Estimate the cost of a nicely sized flat screen TV at $1,000 to $2,000... the cost of a good home theater sound system at another $500 to $1,000. Add in the cost of your DVD/Blu-Ray player, the cost of this proposed set-top box and any other gadgets you need to make a home theater and the price can easily hit $2,000 or $3,000. If you go all-out, you could top $5,000 or more.

For the price of a good home theater, you could go out to the movie theater fifty or one hundred times!

I'm not saying that a person shouldn't have a nice TV system in their house if they want one but I disagree with the idea that people can "replace" the movie theater experience with a home theater because the expense doesn't pan out.

Unless a person is a super-duper movie buff who has "movie night" every weekend of the year, all that expensive stuff that they buy is basically just going to sit and collect dust most of the time.

I know a guy who is a retired movie producer. He is one of those super-duper movie buffs and he does watch movies almost every week. All he has is a nice flat screen (Vizio, I think) and a basic home theater receiver/speaker system. It's all stuff you can easily get at Best Buy or Walmart. The whole kit-n-kaboodle probably cost less than $2,000. This is probably the only person I know who has ever gotten his money's worth out of a home theater setup.

As far as I am concerned, this is all just empty marketing designed to make money from the unwashed masses who think they are getting something special but really aren't.

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Mike Blakesley
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After just finishing writing my latest multi-thousand dollar check to a studio for a movie that will be available at Wal-Mart for $15 in 90 days, I wish there was some way to get across to these idiots that the theater industry is not this big bad greedy behemoth that just rakes in money by gouging people for movie tickets.

In other words, exclusivity is worth a lot of money. We pay dearly for that ever-shrinking window.

What's amazing is, the window used to be up to a year. Now we have 90 to 120 days, so the window is worth less, but the cost of film rent keeps going UP. So who are the greedy ones again?

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Randy Stankey
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quote: Mike Blakesley
I wish there was some way to get across to these idiots that the theater industry is not this big bad greedy behemoth that just rakes in money by gouging people for movie tickets.
How many people of the general public even realize that movie studios are not the same as movie THEATERS?

When ticket prices go up, many people start blaming the theater owners as the bad guys when it's really the studios that are driving the price increases.

I think it would do a lot of good if, somehow, we could impress upon the masses that movie theaters aren't always the bad guys.

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Manny Montes
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quote: Randy Stankey
Estimate the cost of a nicely sized flat screen TV at $1,000 to $2,000... the cost of a good home theater sound system at another $500 to $1,000. Add in the cost of your DVD/Blu-Ray player, the cost of this proposed set-top box and any other gadgets you need to make a home theater and the price can easily hit $2,000 or $3,000. If you go all-out, you could top $5,000 or more.
I hate this system and I think the pricing is way off however the issue with this argument is that a lot of people aren't going to buy all of this equipment just for movies. I love movies and I love blu-rays, however I bought my TV, audio system, etc for TV, Gaming, Movies, streaming, etc... I think with most home theatres they are such multitaskers that I think it would be very easy for people to think "oh well I'll have that for the big game, etc" instead of thinking WOW $1500 just to watch movies, I could go to the theatre a whole bunch of times for that!"

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Mike Blakesley
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Yeah it's really comparing apples to oranges.

To me, picture size/quality and sound size/quality aside, the much better argument for theater vs. home is, the fact that at the theater it's all done for you AND there is no interruption of the movie. You're having a night out... something special, vs. just another same-old-same-old night at the house.

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Frank Cox
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I have always thought that movie theatres have a certain kind of a magical atmosphere that you don't find anywhere else.

I don't know if this "magic" still exists in today's multiplexes, though. (I literally don't know. I haven't been in any multiplexes in thirty years.)

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