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Dennis Benjamin
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quote: Mike Blakesley
I don't think Disney does free shows AT ALL, except maybe for super-special occasions but I can't even remember the last time I heard about one of those.
They do not.

I've known several exhibitors in the past that have tried to run Disney movies for free. Whether it was a current, booked title, or an older "blu-ray".

They only thing those companies got was all their Disney titles yanked and no titles allowed for a few years.

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quote: Mike Blakesley
I don't think Disney does free shows AT ALL, except maybe for super-special occasions but I can't even remember the last time I heard about one of those.

That probably depends upon how "Disney" is defined. I am sure that it applies to their major animated titles, most of which are unavailable, anyway. That said, they definitely let us do it in 2012 with Mary Poppins in 35mm as part of a re-opening of a restored older theatre. I made clear to them what we were doing and they let us do it for a reasonable price. Disney has since moved these sorts of bookings to Swank; this was arranged through Buena Vista directly.

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Mike Blakesley
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I think the studios would argue that even if concession sales aren't "required" as a prerequisite to get into the theatre, the movie is still the attraction drawing people to the venue (at least equal to the concessions) so they're going to want their cut...and as Jack noted, they are entitled to it.

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Mike Hillyer
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As in a free theater they would want a cut of concessions, or they would want the flat rate they charge for the license?

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Mike Blakesley
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Depends on the movie and the studio. Things like the age of the film, popularity of it, etc. all play in. For example, Warners used to license all their kid-friendly stuff for $250 but Polar Express was $400, due to it being popular. It has since come down in price, so I hear.

I think you would find in general that an archive title would be a flat rate, but anything that's still in theatrical release would be a percentage.

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Cool. I was mainly thinking cheap due to the small town and the relative proximity of first-run theaters, which is when someone mentioned free nights and that is what got me curious to the idea of a just plain free theater. Question was whether concessions would cover the flat rate licensing on older movies.

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I have never seen anyone do "free movie with concessions purchase." This seems wrong, as others have pointed out, and has a bit of a "bait-and-switch" air to it as well.

Usually, free movies are done as promotional events for the theatre or are sponsored by a local business or other organization.

You really need to talk to distributors about what you are planning and see if they would agree to it. My guess is that they would only do it if "free" actually meant "free" and without other required purchases.

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Sorry I may not have been clear, the idea was a free theater, where it's assumed that concessions would cover all costs without admission, the question was around A) Would distributors even agree to it, just flat rates for a commercial theater for post-theatrical films, and B) Roughly what they would charge flat rate, assuming probably a week's run on a free release.

Both of those answers would likely have to come from a distributor, ACF was mentioned for Canada but they seem non-theatrical oriented and I assume if it would be a theater then that would not fall under them. I'll try and figure out who the western Canada distributor is.

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Let us know what you find. My guess is that, even if you could get distributors to go along with the plan, you would still have at least two problems: a) you probably do not want the type of customers that would be attracted to a free movie theatre and b) you would probably be unable to draw enough of them with the titles that would be available to you.

To put it another way: if this were such a great idea, then someone else would probably alrady be doing it.

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quote:
To put it another way: if this were such a great idea, then someone else would probably already be doing it.
I'm with you till that point, Jeff Bezos would never have started Amazon if the qualification for a good idea is that someone else is already doing it.

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The studios simply want to maximize their revenue, and if it's a choice between a flat rate or percentage gross, will choose whatever nets them the greater sum.

That's why most theatrical bookings of archival and rep titles are done on a gross with minimum guarantee contract (e.g. 35% against $400 minimum guarantee, which is pretty typical for the 1930s and '40s classic era Hollywood titles we play).

If it's a real classic that will fill the house out, e.g. It's a Wonderful Life or Casablanca, we'll take a lot more than $400, and they'll want their cut of that. However, if it's some obscure B-movie Western played as part of a tribute series to the guy who had a walk-on part in one scene and only 20 customers show up, they'll take the $400.

The chances are that if your business model works in that it'll cover the costs of running the theater without charging for the actual movie ticket, the chances are also that you can afford to pay the studio a per person cut.

The only free admission model I know of that is used on a significant scale is that of film festivals, many of which do offer free admission to everything except the opening and closing night galas (which are usually done by an invitation list). For some of them, you can pay for a VIP pass that gets you into a priority line and a few other perks. However, festivals are sponsored up the wazoo, and that's mainly how they're paid for.

That having been said, other service provider business models have tried to change their charging structure such that the sticker price for the core service is "unbundled" and other things around it are sold as separate line items; hence resort fees in hotels and the legacy airlines charging you extra to check baggage, choose a seat ahead of checking in, etc. etc. And have you ever tried to rent a car using your own insurance and refusing to buy the rental company's? They make it as difficult and as bureaucratic as possible, because they make almost nothing on the $30 a day you pay them to rent a Nissan Versa, but margins of hundreds of percent on the other $30 a day you pay for their own comprehensive insurance.

Given the growing number of complaints about increasing theater ticket prices, I wouldn't be surprised if the big chains try to do something similar - for example, $5 for the basic movie ticket, but for $12 you get a soda and popcorn bundled in, or for $15 you get validated parking, or for $20 all of that plus admission in a priority line. The studios would want their cut of the add-ons to be on board with that, though.

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quote: Jack Ondracek
Yahh..... You're still getting into that gray area, where the studios will want to know how you make money. If you really don't charge admission, meaning anyone can just walk in the door and see the show without buying anything, then you might get the flat rate
Since we went 100% digital, we have been doing a free admission summer kids series of 8-9 weeks. We pay a flat fee for the licensing. We don't print tickets, we just open the door and let people in. Of course we have the snack bar open, and this has never raised a question.

I agree with Brad about how making a specific concession purchase might be problematic. In fact, I could see the studios saying that requiring the purchase of a small popcorn is the same as charging a $5 admission, so they expect you to pay 35% (or whatever the percentage is) on $5 per head.

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quote: Scott Norwood
Disney has since moved these sorts of bookings to Swank; this was arranged through Buena Vista directly.
Up until last year you could get the Disney non-animated films through Swank. Sometime in the last year they pulled the rights. I'm not sure what the status is of some of the non-Disney things Buena Vista owns.

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Mike: Talk to Sarbjit Singh whose phone number is 416-228-2081. If she doesn't know the answers you need herself, she will know who you should talk to.

Tell you that I told you to call her if you like.

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Mike Hillyer
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Thanks Frank!

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