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Author Topic: What do you use for internet access? Bob Peticolas Film Handler Posts: 73 From: Mesilla, New Mexico Registered: Jan 2000 posted 02-05-2005 06:50 PM                        Qwest DSL 640 kb download. They have started deploying 1.2 meg, but we seem to be at the wrong end of the line and can only get 640. Someday Comcast will allow us to use the ISP of our choice (instead of MSN) and we will dump Qwest entirely. With cell phones (my wife and I each have one - Verizon), who needs Qwest?  |  IP: Logged Don Cross Film Handler Posts: 97 From: Charleston, WV, USA Registered: Jan 2005 posted 02-06-2005 12:42 AM                     Actually there are plenty of 4ghz Pentium 4's out there. I operate an Alienware ALX with one- backed up with both liquid cooling and extra fans. My alienware has well over 1tb of internal stored data and is used as more than a gaming console- actually does double duty as a business backup. It also has well over 1,500 logged user hours with zero problems of any kind. I also know several people who have similar models with no problems with theirs either. In a message group with almost one thousand users only two have experienced any problems. The problems were documented as: placing the tower in too tight of an enclosure, and also one managed to have a v-spike slip through. If you want I can also provide links to the people who build these units at the Alienware headquarters in Florida. One can also have an Alienware custom built for them for under 5k. Dell should have their version of the 4ghz out any day now- probably in their 8400, xps gen4, and also some of their other business lines. Yes all of the higher end P4's do give off plenty of heat, but definately not more than any well built system should be able to deal with. Its usually a case of poor design- usually found in scratch built systems. If one has the proper amount of ventilation along with a few other common sense issue; then it should never be a problem. In terms of heat- it does get a bit warm but if done pepperly no damage should ever occur. Its not like we're talking about enough heat to melt the connections. Also be sure to note what the processing power is of some of the current laptops. Even with the limited breathing space the only time a laptop should run into any problems is due to an issue such as improper handling of the unit or placing it on something such as a carpet. Most heat related failures are due to: either poor design of the hardware (usually scratch build), mixing improper components, or usually the most common which would be user error (note carpet problem above). On the other side of the issue- there are also other factors that contribute to overheating such as: Poor placement of components. Video card placing to much heat onto other components. The new P5's are very much a reality. They exist at this very moment in a type of prototype phase, and have been extensively tested to work quite well. Its only a matter of time now before they hit the consumer market.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 02-13-2005 09:05 AM                        Using medium broadband ASDL at work and home 10MBPS works well considering I was on dial up and getting 21K , must say I am amazed at the amount of people around the globe who still only have access to dialup.  |  IP: Logged Don Cross Film Handler Posts: 97 From: Charleston, WV, USA Registered: Jan 2005 posted 02-14-2005 12:56 AM                     Good observation about the amount of people outside of the US that are still using dial up. Here in the US it will be almost completely phased out within the next two to three years; mostly due to the following issues: Next generation systems arriving. Next OS's, even outside of windows. Updates will simply become too large to practically download (see example below). Security issues. The next Microsoft Windows operating system which presently goes under the name of Longhorn is just barely under the line of five gigs. With those volumes of data imagine how big the sp1 and sp2 would be; just a bit too large to download for most practical purposes.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-14-2005 08:04 PM                     quote: Don Cross Actually there are plenty of 4ghz Pentium 4's out there. You may be able to overclock a 3.x GHz Pentium 4 to the 4GHz mark or beyond. However, there are no 4GHz chips being offered "offically" by any major computer builder. All of the news I've read from places like Tom's Hardware Guide suggest the 4GHz P4 is still dead. Alienware doesn't have any 4GHz models listed on their website. Their top of the line ALX desktops max out at 3.6GHz for Intel P4 and Xeon chips (the Area 51 versions; the Aurora SLI model uses the 2.6GHz AMD Athlon 64 FX-55). As for Dell, their Dimension 8400 and XPS desktops max out with either the 3.8GHz P5 CPU or the 3.4GHz P5 extreme waste of money edition. Intel is busy introducing other chips instead. AMD just launched their Opteron 252 and 852 processors that support either 2-way or up to 8-way symmetric multiprocessing. Intel is responding with the XeonDP and XeonMP chips which do the same thing. The DP features 2MB of L3 cache, double the previous Xeon's total. The MP unit can feature as much as 8MB. Very very expensive. Intel is finally adding 64-bit capability to all its new processors, including the upcoming 6xx numbered series of Pentium 4 processors. 64-bit WindowsXP Professional is expected sometime in the Summer or by year's end. It will take longer for software developers to recompile their apps for 64-bit. The XeonDP, XeonMP and P4 6xx chips will be the last new single core processors Intel ships. Everything starts shifting to dual core (with significantly slower clock speeds) starting this summer. [ 02-15-2005, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Bobby Henderson ]  |  IP: Logged Frank Jerkic Film Handler Posts: 77 From: Ayr Queensland Australia Registered: May 2004 posted 02-14-2005 08:46 PM                        G'day What's the best e-mail clinet to use? I have nothing but trouble with Outlook and changed to Thunderbird 6 months ago which was great, now for sum reason it takes 10 minutes just to load, I have unistalled it and have reinstalled it 4 times and same problem? I though I might give Eudora a squirt to see how it goes..any suggestion thanxs in advance Frank check this out as well www.tinyurl.com/4yx2z lol  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-14-2005 09:13 PM                     You're probably using the 0.8 or 0.9 version. I had similar problems of lag with Thunderbird 0.9. Those problems disappeared when upgrading to Thunderbird 1.0.  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-14-2005 09:25 PM                     What are problems common with Outlook? I've always used it with no problems that I can see.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 02-14-2005 09:36 PM                        With search engines and email , I also made the change to Firefox and Thunderbird email , one of the best changes I have ever made , they both work well. Back to the basic with computers , I am using an old P111 733 pc and home, it has 512 memory and 2 x 80 gig hard drives running XP Pro , the old girl works really really well, at work we have 3 state of the art P4 PC's with 2.6 GHz CPU's all running windows XP Pro . The PC's at work are so slow when compared to my old P111 , maybe new tech is not the best tech ????  |  IP: Logged Don Cross Film Handler Posts: 97 From: Charleston, WV, USA Registered: Jan 2005 posted 02-15-2005 01:39 AM                     Credit has to be given to Mr Henderson based upon the following: For some strange reason Alienware has pulled the 4ghz from their line-up; most likely due to one of the following reasons: That the demand for the chips has exceeded the supply, or that the cost of the chip was so very excessive for a single tower set-up. The entry level price for an Alienware ALX with this type of processor costs well above 5k minimum; which is with things such as the bare minimum of chips, video card, hard drive config, etc... One could very easily spend well ver 10k without even touching the screen options. I personally own an ALX with a 4ghz due to the following reasons: because of the business which I own, and also for the capabilites it has (even in excess of very extreme gaming). The tower has not been hardware modified at all since it has left the factory. The original factory settings still remain exactly as follows as stated under the catagory of view system information: Pentium 4 CPU, 3.99 GHz, 4.00GB RAM. Proof available if desired. Alienware still offers their Intel P4 570J w/HT which runs in at 3.8, just as Mr H stated. The direct link to their 5500 tower is as follows; although its not quite an ALX. Ridiculously long link that broke the page format and was edited I'm waiting for an official answer from Alienware as to when exactly the next availability of the next batch of 4ghz chips will be offered and I'll update the link. As for the Dell 8400; did I misread or misunderstand the above quote about the waste of money thing? As far as operating systems goes (windows) its incredibly difficult to match that particular model. The 8400 is considered as the developers desktop computer- especially with things such as its RAID options. [ 02-15-2005, 05:36 AM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]  |  IP: Logged Frank Jerkic Film Handler Posts: 77 From: Ayr Queensland Australia Registered: May 2004 posted 02-15-2005 03:59 AM                        Dobra, The problems I was having with Outlook was it would lock up for no apparent reason and the lose any emails in the Inbox?, it used to be trouble free till I changed from 98SE to XP pro, I had a tech have a Cpt. Cook at it and reinstall it but it would have a spacko attack without any warning and for no real reason. I will try the latest Thunderbird and see what it's like Frank  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-15-2005 09:10 AM                     quote: Don Cross For some strange reason Alienware has pulled the 4ghz from their line-up For the last several months I've been actively watching the web sites for a number of computer builders, including both Dell and Alienware. I'm in the market for a new notebook PC as well as a replacement desktop for the office. I've never seen 4GHz chips being offered on any of the Dell and Alienware product lines. Overclocking is another issue. 4GHz has certainly been done in different demonstrations. I've just never seen a major vendor offer an overclocked 4GHz unit as a standard item covered by warranty. quote: Don Cross As for the Dell 8400; did I misread or misunderstand the above quote about the waste of money thing? I was just making a joke about the 3.4GHz P4 Extreme Edition offered on the Dell 8400 and XPS desktops. You're paying a premium of several hundred dollars for an extra megabyte of L2 cache. Yet various benchmarks from sources like PC Magazine or Tom's Hardware show there's not much of a boost gained from it. The only currently available mainstream Intel processors that seem to be benefitting well from having 2MB of L2 cache are those Pentium M notebook CPUs. Please note, I don't consider Xeon CPUs to be "mainstream." The soon-to-be-released Pentium 4 6xx series of CPUs will have 2MB of L2 cache along with a few other features. It is doubtful they'll have the excessive price tags of those "extreme edition" P4 chips. Anyway, I gotta think of some ISP related stuff to try to get back on the topic of this thread. I heard some kind of buzz a few days ago about a few people in congress suggesting ways how to encourage wireless broadband technologies and access to spread. The main suggestion was loosening up some of the regulatory processes to cut through governmental red tape.  |  IP: Logged Don Cross Film Handler Posts: 97 From: Charleston, WV, USA Registered: Jan 2005 posted 02-15-2005 03:11 PM                     To get back onto the topic of the thread as mentioned earlier... Most of the next generation of internet is likely to be wireless; both indoor woriless connections, eventually evolving to outdoor very long range wireless. It will be difficult to ballance the speed of the connection versus the need for security. To this present day, I've seen very few well secured wireless systems. Most of what I have seen is just gambling with ones computer or network security. It interesting that most people don't have a problem with paying for the big budget hardware items, or even the software to back it up. Some people don't even have problems with paying a significant amount of change for internet connection even when most of the bandwidth is never really effectively used. Then the same people seem to have a problem with spending money on internet security and other security methods needed to protect their computer. In some areas theres a type of crime trend where people break into houses and businesses. When the police arrive nothing really appears to be disturbed- only later to find out that their computer system has been compromised.  |  IP: Logged

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