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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 06-25-2001 01:44 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Rory,

Actually the majority of the Quicktimes on this site have been created and edited on my G4 with Final Cut Pro.

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 06-27-2001 07:17 AM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Didn't eat my Wheaties this morning. Running slow on both dynamic and static (including the home) pages. Other sites load fine. Started poking around at about 7:45 am Eastern ... In fact, I've typed all this and pasted the code below and the .gif files on the post page are still opening.

code:

Pinging www.film-tech.com [207.168.10.69] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=118ms TTL=240
Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=116ms TTL=240
Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=117ms TTL=240
Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=117ms TTL=240


code:

Tracing route to www.film-tech.com [207.168.10.69]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 3 ms 3 ms 10.1.1.254
2 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 10.100.1.252
3 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 206.141.185.1
4 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 199.179.99.1
5 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 199.179.0.242
6 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms atm3-0x6.nap1.mich.net [198.108.22.230]
7 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms acr2-serial6-1-0-0.chicagochd.cw.net [208.172.1.169]
8 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms corerouter2.willowsprings.cw.net [204.70.9.146]
9 107 ms 105 ms 103 ms core3.willowsprings.cw.net [204.70.4.25]
10 22 ms 19 ms 19 ms atm1-0.chi-c100.gw.epoch.net [206.220.243.61]
11 72 ms 72 ms 72 ms pos0-1.sfo-c000.gw.epoch.net [155.229.123.141]
12 73 ms 73 ms 75 ms pos8-0.pao-c001.gw.epoch.net [155.229.57.197]
13 82 ms 83 ms 81 ms pos3-0-0.lax-c100.gw.epoch.net [155.229.120.50]
14 113 ms 112 ms 112 ms pos0-0-0.dal-m100.gw.epoch.net [155.229.123.126]
15 117 ms 116 ms 116 ms 209-101-238-138.dal-m100.cust.gw.epoch.net [209.101.238.138]
16 119 ms 117 ms 118 ms www.film-tech.com [207.168.10.69]

Trace complete.




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Evans A Criswell
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 - posted 06-27-2001 09:48 AM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Now to describe the NASA system, as I remember it. I couldn't find the old paper abstract, and I am not a math whiz, so I'll try to describe the concept in lay terms.

The first part was a recognition that each lens is different and it was ideal if the original lens could be on hand to examine it's individual characteristics. However, the general concept could be applied to any lens that had an out-of-focus image.


Thanks, Jerry, for providing the details on that NASA sharpening algorithm in your earlier post. I have 2 books consisting of nothing but important papers in the fields of image enhancement and restoration, and several of the articles deal with the topic of deblurring. One specifically deals with deblurring using the principles of optics. This is such a neat area because much of the research, besides just being for theoretical interest, is very practical and applicable in the real world.

By the way, my research work at the University of ALabama in Huntsville is funded by NASA contracts. In fact, I believe every bit of work I've done for the past 13 years has been through contracts with NASA. That's one reason I was so interested in knowing which approach NASA was using for that deblurring. Marshall Space Flight Center, here at Huntsville, has an excellent library with one of the best collection of technical journals in the southeast.

The coolest thing I got to see (a couple of months ago) was a lens fabrication facility out at MSFC. Both mirrors and lenses were manufactured there. I saw some of the largest lenses I'd ever seen. 17-inch diameter lenses were sitting around, and one large machine had a lens that was 30 or 32 inches in diameter (and 4 to 6 inches thick), and it was so clear that the lens itself was hard to see in the machine. On another day, we had visited a very large facility where satellite sensors and embedded processors were made, and the building had a huge high-bay area. Being a movie buff, when looking around, the thought came to mind about how some of those huge lenses and the huge wall of that high-bay area could be used for some giant film format.

Sorry for the delay in response, Jerry, but for some reason, I did not see the replies from June 23rd and on in this thread until this mroning, which I cannot explain, since I keep up with this site at least a couple of times a day.

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Evans A Criswell
Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Info Site


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 06-27-2001 10:17 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Evans: Kodak does allot of imaging and image analysis work for NASA:
Kodak Imaging Government Systems

Kodak Made Back-up Mirror for Hubble Telescope

Kodak Digital Cameras on Shuttle Mission

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 06-27-2001 11:35 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You're entirely welcome Evans. I have absolutely no idea what is actually being used by NASA and other govt. organizations, nor would I want to be bothered with a security clearance to learn the details.

I found that particular abstract intriguing and it happened to stick in my memory. As I recall, it was an idea at the time, and I can see how there would be technical issues of sample size, induced randomness or clumping based on grain structure, orientation effects, etc.

From your past posts I had inferred that you were connected with NASA research.

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William Hooper
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 - posted 06-29-2001 03:43 AM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Running about 2 minutes for a page load on T1 tonight, 5 if you want images, too:


Target Name: www.filmtech.com
IP: 207.217.96.35

3 5 ms T1-s0-Capital-s2-DTMOB.zebra.net [209.12.14.245]
4 9 ms 905.Hssi4-0-0.GW1.NOL1.ALTER.NET [157.130.68.65]
5 17 ms 132.ATM3-0.XR1.HOU4.ALTER.NET [152.63.96.106]
6 17 ms 193.at-2-0-0.TR1.HOU7.ALTER.NET [152.63.99.146]
7 57 ms 132.at-6-1-0.TR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET [152.63.4.162]
8 68 ms 297.ATM6-0.XR1.LAX4.ALTER.NET [152.63.112.173]
9 60 ms 193.ATM6-0.GW4.LAX4.ALTER.NET [152.63.113.89]
10 60 ms earthlink-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.231.222]
11 59 ms f5-0-0-cr02-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.1.44]
12 59 ms v296-dnr01-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.2.126]
13 61 ms www.filmtech.com [207.217.96.35]


quote:
Adam - trying pinging www.film-tech.com the next time you have a problem and let me know what the delay is. Is there any way of testing this from some point outside the MS proxy box?

This is a cute little freeware program called Ping Plotter (available at ZDNet)
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,34738,.html

It can be set up to ping repeatedly at intervals you set up, average them, & then show the results graphically to see where the bottleneck may be.

It can copy the data as text to the W9x clipboard, or copy it as a graphical representation.

Whoah, looka here!

Target Name: www.filmtech.com
IP: 207.217.96.29

3 5 ms T1-s0-Capital-s2-DTMOB.zebra.net [209.12.14.245]
4 8 ms 905.Hssi4-0-0.GW1.NOL1.ALTER.NET [157.130.68.65]
5 15 ms 132.ATM3-0.XR1.HOU4.ALTER.NET [152.63.96.106]
6 15 ms 193.at-2-0-0.TR1.HOU7.ALTER.NET [152.63.99.146]
7 57 ms 132.at-6-1-0.TR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET [152.63.4.162]
8 66 ms 297.ATM6-0.XR1.LAX4.ALTER.NET [152.63.112.173]
9 62 ms 193.ATM6-0.GW4.LAX4.ALTER.NET [152.63.113.89]
10 60 ms earthlink-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.231.222]
11 263 ms f8-0-0-cr01-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.1.75]
12 59 ms v200-dnr01-pas.neteng.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.2.30]
13 58 ms www.filmtech.com [207.217.96.29]



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Brad Miller
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 - posted 06-29-2001 04:23 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
William, not to make a big deal out of a tiny thing, but you might want to check out www.film-tech.com and not www.filmtech.com You've just done a traceroute to a completely different website.

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William Hooper
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 - posted 06-29-2001 04:31 AM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, well, they suck too.

The pages are loading fine now. What, do they only behave while you're in the room watching them?



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Brad Miller
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 - posted 06-29-2001 04:47 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
William, I think my rat slacks off on spinning the wheel when I am away.

Seriously though, the server is running just fine and dandy. We're looking into other possibilities for the occasional delays now. It's kinda hard to fix something when you can't replicate the problem yourself, though.

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Heyward Garner
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 - posted 06-30-2001 01:41 AM      Profile for Heyward Garner   Email Heyward Garner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Interesting thread, guys... You must admit that we have come a VERY long way with video and sound I/O devices. The future holds quite a pretty picture! No pun, intended. Evan, I have some questions for you regarding your books you have, and can probably come up with some other good questions, too! But not tonight. But I can go to bed happily and dream about working for Philips or Pioneer =)Or hey... Maybe even Kodak =Þ

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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 09-08-2001 11:08 PM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Evans, I was just cleaning out some bookshelves and came across at least part of what I had remembered:

"As early as the sixties, NASA reported on a precise technique to refocus poorly focused images based on weighted averaging"

It is labeled "Supplemental Information Package for HQN-10542" Correction filters remove defects in optical images. Perhaps that will help you find it.

Patent

NASA Search result


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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-09-2001 01:37 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's great Jerry, but I think the world cares much more about my PING TIMES. Here they are:


1 success 79ms length=40
2 success 76ms length=40
3 success 78ms length=40
4 success 79ms length=40


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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 09-09-2001 08:45 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I nominate this thread for a geek award at the first annual film-tech award ceremonies.

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 09-09-2001 12:50 PM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
I second that nomination. Damn, Joe, 76 ms?

Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=249ms TTL=244
Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=318ms TTL=244
Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=247ms TTL=244
Reply from 207.168.10.69: bytes=32 time=250ms TTL=244


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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-09-2001 04:58 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, 76ms. I just tried pinging right now, and the best I could get was 103ms. Someone must be downloading the Interlocking 101 Quicktime or something.

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