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Scott Norwood
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When towing a car with a piece of polyester film, how does one splice it together (assuming that a loop is used) or otherwise attach it to the cars? I assume that a standard tape splice would be the weak point in the loop.


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Randy Stankey
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We just took a double piece of film and tied (and approximation of) a bowline on the bight into each end, then hooked the resulting loops over the trailer hitches of both vehicles.

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Steve Guttag
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If you have an old piece of worthless nitrate film...plant it in your flower bed....when it decomposes, it will enrich your soil quite a bit.

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Dick Vaughan
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There was a guy on e-bay auctioning bits of IMAX leader as bookmarks.

How about getting a very tightwound IMAX print sliding it off a platter screwing legs in to it and using it as a patio table.

Or getting 4 of them and mount them on axles for your 21st Century covered wagon?

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Bob Maar
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Scott, the splice will hold if you use Neumade tape.

However when you do this don't forget to release the brake on the car or the tow truck will just spin its wheels.

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Gordon McLeod
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Scott that is the reel purepose of UltraSonic splicers

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Andy Muirhead
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Film makes for very handy bookmarks, also at christmas when the ladies are getting all excited about making decorations, i throw them some scrap film sprayed silver or gold that they can wrap round the xmas tree, actually looks pretty cool on a tree when used instead of tinsel! If you have a sound system that lets you 'mix' n-sync and analogue s/track you can play about with Hip-Hop style 'scratches'. I'm sure you can figure out how!

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Mike Blakesley
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We decorated a small Christmas tree in the lobby by using film spray painted gold and folded into small "bows." Then we used popcorn on a string instead of tinsel garland. One of my former employees, who now works for North By Northwest Productions in Spokane, WA (makers of the indie film "The Basket) was home for the holidays, and she liked this tree so much she took it back to their office, where it's been displayed for the past 2 years.

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Josh Jones
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How about pen flags, you know, the ones that keep pens form getting stolen.

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Aaron Sisemore
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Several years ago the staff at Washington Square took a 15" plastic Christmas tree and inserted the trunk into a 2000' shipping reel with a 1/2" hole for a base, then used film and popcorn strings as garland, and took the promo pins from various films and used them as ornaments, (using the 'Newton Boys' sheriff badge as the star on the top)... Really looked coool.

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John Pytlak
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Jerry said polyester film as "a loop of film and some brushes could make a van-de-graff generator".

That idea would work with older films, but KODAK VISION Color Print film has a thin transparent conductive coating on the back side of the film that quicky dissipates any static charge by providing a path to ground. Prints stay much cleaner because they don't attract and hold dirt with static charge, and annoying "shocks" when winding prints are much less likely.

Some ad trailers are printed on different stock, and the difference in dirt level, shedding and static is quite noticeable.

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John Pytlak
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Matthew asked: " What use would you have for scrap film other than recycling?"

In the theatre, old trailers certainly should be used for training new operators in proper splicing and handling techniques. A loop of a trailer having very dark scenes should be run several hundred times after any lamphouse changes, to verify that the projector is not causing heat damage. Trailers can be used as thread-up and protective leader, but be sure the picture and sound do not get shown to the audience accidently.

The gelatin emulsion can be removed from the film by soaking the unwound film overnight in dilute hypochlorite laundry bleach, then rinsing and drying. Hard to do with long lengths, but a way to make "clear leader" for shorter lengths.

The polyester plastic used for print film base is essentially the same material used for plastic beverage containers (PETE), so it can be recycled into new plastic. Film can also be used as an environmental fuel for power plants, or recycled into leader:
Link to Kodak Film Salvage
Link to Kodak Environmental


FPC, Inc., a Kodak subsidiary, has been honored by the Academy of Motion
Pictures Arts and Sciences with an Award of Commendation.

The award honors FPC for developing and implementing an environmentally
responsible program to recycle or destroy discarded motion picture prints.

Since it was founded in 1952, FPC has destroyed or recycled more than 330
million pounds of motion picture prints. Film is shipped to the FPC plant in
Tennessee, where it is recycled into leader or burned as a replacement for fossil
fuels.


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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
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Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
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Jerry Chase
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"The gelatin emulsion can be removed from the film by soaking the unwound film overnight in dilute hypochlorite laundry bleach, then rinsing and drying. Hard to do with long lengths, but a way to make "clear leader" for shorter lengths."

This raises the possibility of running it through an ink-jet printer and making your own custom snipes or mini-cartoons.



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John Pytlak
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Jerry suggested: "This raises the possibility of running it through an ink-jet printer and making your own custom snipes or mini-cartoons."

The "bare" film support (gelatin emulsion removed) will not retain the ink from an ink-jet printer, and the ink will smear. A solvent-based ink will work.

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Randy Stankey
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I have made my own "scratch movies" before, by taking a piece of old black leader and using the tip of an ExactoŽ knife to scratch a picture onto each frame of the film.
Now that you mention it, soaking/bleaching the emulsion off an old tralier and using a set of fine tipped markers to draw the pictures onto the film would be a lot cooler, not to mention easier.

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