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Jeffry L. Johnson
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You could be the next Norman McLaren.

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Steve Scott
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I forgot, we also give sections (1 foot) of animated movie trailers to kids when they use our party room for birthdays.

The birthday person also gets to hit start on the automation.


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John Schulien
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I wish I had thought of this!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1466058668



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Freddie Dobbs
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Hey, how about we use it to fill the fox holes of the enemy in the middle east? Yhey would be untangeling for days.....

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Randy Stankey
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I guarantee a double strand of polyester film would be strong enough to string that dirty bastage up by the cajones! A single strand would be enough to hold the weight but it would stretch and he might be able to touch the ground and squirm away.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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One of my projectionists last night asked me if he could take some old trailes to make a wrestling ring with.
He said he ties them aroung trees and works perfectly.

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Paul Mayer
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In Japan, Studio Ghibli just opened a museum devoted to their animation works. They use cut strips of Ghibli prints as tickets.

Regarding drawing on film, if you have sufficient magnification for your eyes, drawing the pictures isn't too tough. Drawing the SR and DTS tracks remains a bitch though.

Back to the edit droid...

Paul
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Stephen Furley
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Scrap nitrate film was used around first world war time for making dope for aircraft fabric. Would you want to fly in an aircraft covered in nitrate with people firing guns at you?

There is a story I have read in a couple of places, possibly in an old Cinema Theatre Association or Projected Picture Trust magazine, about a load of scrap film being sent for this purpose. The rolls of film had to be transported in a sealed container. The container had to be sealed by soldering. (Is this exercise starting to sound somewhat unwise?) An expert was called in to do the soldering, but you can guess what happened, and the solderer died in the fire. The story continues, involving lengthly legal procedings, but I can't remember the details.

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Matthew Bailey
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Of course nitrate was used to treat the Hindenburg's fabric.

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Helmut E. Dorausch
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Towing a car (or anything else, for that matter) is definately possible. Especially if you were to twist several strands together.
Since 1995, Transfilm Inc. has been performing certified destruction (AND Recycling) to the tune of app: 2 1/2 million pounds per year.
There isn't alot of money in it ( Due to processing costs) but it sure feels good to know that it isn't ending up in the landfill system.
Questions, or comments, feel free.
Helmut E. Dorausch
Transfilm Inc.
Manager of National Operations
helmutdorausch@hotmail.com

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John Pytlak
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Once the theater run is finished, most of the movie prints are destroyed to prevent piracy and the film is recycled. FPC, a Kodak subsidiary, annually recycles more than 3 BILLION feet (about 15 million pounds) of movie film. Much of the ESTAR film base used for print film can be recycled into its original chemical components by a process known as methanolysis:

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Randy Stankey
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The "dope" that was used to treat the canvas skin of the Hindenberg was a mixture of powdered aluminum and cellulose butyrate. It's not cellulose nitrate but it's close enough.

The idea was that the aluminum powder in the mix would make the skin reflective enough to keep the sun from heating the gas inside the envelopes. Changes in density during flight could cause the ship to sink or rise in an undesirable manner.

It wasn't the hydrogen that caused most of the problems:
A) There wasn't enough oxygen INSIDE the gas envelopes to support a fire... unless there was a leak and it mixed with the oxygen in the air.
B) The gas envelopes were at the top of the ship. The people were at the bottom. People actually used to SMOKE on board. They also had food service and heaters, etc on board.

No. Most of the death and destruction was caused by the flammable dope used to treat the skin. Once the hydrogen was gone there OUGHT to have been nothing left to support the fire. But the butyrate skin might as well have been made of dynamite.

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Sam Hunter
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HV Insulators may be a use for it.

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John Pytlak
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Sam Hunter said: "HV Insulators may be a use for it."

The ESTAR base used in Kodak VISION Color Print Film has a transparent CONDUCTIVE anti-static layer on the back side. Not a good HV insulator.

Maybe film from one of the "other guys".


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Stephen Furley
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There was a programme on television a few years ago about another disaster airship, the R101. If you watch film of that, it certainly doesn't look like hydrogen burning, far too luminous. Of course, all the news film of it was black and white, so you can't tell what colour the flames were.

A small area of the skin had survived, and they did some tests on the various layers of coatings on it, no mention of nitrate on this one, but they did find aluminium and iron oxide. If you don't know what that makes, find out how the railways weld their rails together!

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