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Author Topic: Do Sub-titles Make A Difference? Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-27-2001 07:19 PM                     Precisely why ALL prints should be screened prior to the public (or in this case, a private rental group) viewing them. Generally screenings are important to catch lab defects, but in this case it is possible that you might've been able to find another flat lens in the theater that was just a bit longer and you could've put masking tape on the window to get through that one show. Sure, that's not the correct way of doing it, but the show would have ran better given the circumstance.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 11-27-2001 08:57 PM                     I certainly agree about the necessity of inspecting and previewing films. In the above situation I had no prior warning of the event, nor was the print made up in my theatre. It was carried in clamped as the patrons were arriving. The only other lenses in the theatre were a scope and a 70mm flat; our flagship theatre had the longest throw of any in the area. Perhaps removing the aperture plate and drastically masking the porthole glass might have been an emergency expedient that hadn't occurred to me at the time.  |  IP: Logged Bob Maar (Maar stands for Maartini) Posts: 28608 From: New York City & Newport, RI Registered: Feb 2001 posted 11-27-2001 09:32 PM                        We have several theatres here in New York that run sub titles on a regular basis. Dan Talbot, President of New Yorker films has a six plex called the Lincoln Plaza, just opposite Lincoln Center in Manhattan. His pictures are imported and most are sub-titled. I have seen many films with sub titles and I have no recall about missing the action or plot because I was reading. It has become sort of automatic. I enjoy the films and do not give reading a second thought. Same goes for the film's at Karen Cooper's Film-Forum.  |  IP: Logged Brian Hogan Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Charlotte, North Carolina, USA Registered: Jul 2001 posted 02-04-2002 07:55 PM                     has anyone had a problem with the sub titles for brotherhood of the wolf? we have gotten some complaints about them being too fuzy for people to read. they are a bit fuzzy, but still readable to me. and on a side note... why must they use white sub titles so often? dont they know yellow is the way to go? sakes.  |  IP: Logged James R. Hammonds, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 931 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 02-04-2002 08:09 PM                     I noticed the fuzzy titles also, but never had a problem reading them, nor did i have any complaints about them. The only problem I had with them is that they are printed so low that you have to frame the picture up as high as it can go without seeing the frame line so they wont get chopped off the bottom. Didnt have problems like that with other films with subtitles.  |  IP: Logged Arthur Allen Film Handler Posts: 99 From: Renton, WA, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 02-04-2002 09:02 PM                        They use white because that's the cheapest; all you have to do is print black on a negative, and it comes out white. If you wanted to print yellow, it would be more expensive and the image would be further degraded by more optical generations. However, and I swear I saw this on film rather than on video, there might be a technique out there that scrapes some of the base emusion around the outlines of the lettering while printing, so the results are white subtitles with a rough dark outline.  |  IP: Logged Joe Beres Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 606 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 02-04-2002 09:28 PM                     Arthur, you are referring to laser subtitles, and they do indeed exist. From my experience, it is most common to see them on French prints. I've seen dozens of prints subtitled at Titra and Laser Video Titres, both in Paris. I think it is the best subtitle method around. It's also great because it isn't a photo graphic process. Therefore, ten prints can be struck and processed, and then each of them can be subtitled in a different language. I would imagine this ends up being cheaper (especially if translating into several languages), although I do no know the casts involved.  |  IP: Logged Bob Healey Film Handler Posts: 93 From: Milford, CT Registered: Sep 2001 posted 02-04-2002 10:41 PM                     This doesn't exactly apply to movies, but the anime fans on campus here for the most part won't touch anything that has been dubbed or is recorded in English, so they most likely don't have a problem with subtitled films.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-05-2002 10:22 AM                     Subtitles are typically etch by various means (laser chemical hotwax stamping) and remove the emulsion leaving white letters. In mass relase a seperate neg is made for the subtitles White letters on a dark background which in most shots the lower portion of the screen is has the highest contrast  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 02-05-2002 01:04 PM                        Links about subtitling techniques: http://www.titrafilm.com/TitraEn/pagesEn/laser_subtitling.html http://www.titrafilm.com/TitraEn/pagesEn/subtitling.html http://www.titra.com/film.html http://www.iai.nl/1024/Frame1024.html http://www.geocities.com/karamitroglou/agencies.html ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 03-08-2004 04:07 PM                        Bringing this back up since it was announced at the NYICFF that Princess Mononoke will be re-released theatrically in the US, this time in Japanese with English subtitles. Which is what I thought Miramax should have done with it back in '99. More than likely another small art house release. Don't know which Disney label will handle distribution this time.  |  IP: Logged

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