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Topic: Airline security is a farce gone too far
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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 02-28-2002 05:27 PM
From someone who is an experienced aircraft mechanic; here goes.....El-Al (the Israeli National Airline) has the toughest security measures of any airline. It probably would not be practical to introduce their system because of home many hours ~ thats right ~ hours of prescreening check in it takes before a passenger is allowed to board an aircraft! Furthermore, if these types of programs were to be instituted, organizations such as the ACLU would be screaming bloody murder and there would undoubtly be lawsuits galore! The last time I traveled overseas commerically overseas was in the mid 1980's, and it was on El-Al. Here is what happened on a direct 747 flight from N.Y. to Tel Aviv. Arrived in N.Y. about 6 or 8 hrs prior to El-Al departure. The El-Al terminal was sealed and closed. El-Al security told me to grab a cab and do some sight seeing in N.Y. for a couple of hrs....kind of difficult w/the amount of luggage I had. After an arguement, they allowed me to crash in the terminal for a few hrs. of rest. Preparations for boarding started about 4hrs or so prior to departure. 4*8 card tables were lined up ended to end and the passengers formend several lines. All had their turn being interrogated by security...why are you going to Israel, what is your business, how long are you staying and on and on... Furthermore, ALL bagage (carry on and checked) was physcially opened and inspected. All bagage was also subject to x-ray and metal detection! Two thirds or more of the Flight Attendants were men, and people who you did not wish to mess with! There were also plain clothed security officers attached to the flight. The U.S. military also had it's problems regarding flightline security, and with the base closures in the early 1990's some bases were closed partly because of this problem. A great example being Norton AFB, CA....
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David Stambaugh
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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 02-28-2002 09:49 PM
The air security issue is kind of "glass half full / glass half empty" thing. Before Sept. 11th, airport and airline security was clearly a bad joke. What we now have is a system that's better, but far from perfect. On a daily basis you have thousands of flights, hundreds of airports, hundreds of thousands of passengers, and thousands of airport screeners. Impossible for anything involving that many people and that much complexity to ever achieve perfection.Then you have to deal with the question "what objects might passengers bring aboard that could conceivably be used as weapons?". It would be impractical to have a fixed list of forbidden items. I think what they've done is try to create such a list, but also leave it open-ended by forbidding sharp or pointed objects in general. Zero-tolerance is the rule. So with that many screeners and screening points, it's inevitable that someone will invoke the zero-tolerance rule on someone's military awards or something else that seems dumb. But either there's zero-tolerance or there isn't. I'm not sure I want those screeners making independent decisions on what is a potential weapon and what isn't. If we had 25% effectiveness at screening out weapons and such before Sept. 11th, and 75% effectiveness now, then progress has been made. 100% is impossible. So if you measure it that way, the beefed-up security has to be considered something of a success. Also, it's much more likely that an evildoer-wannabe would get caught now, thus possibly deterring them from trying in the first place. The system will NEVER be perfect though.
------------------ - dave Look at this! His chin strap has been cut!
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Paul G. Thompson
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 03-01-2002 01:58 AM
Yeah, Mark....Also, the radiation does get as thick as the bugs on the Hog's windshield in the summer. Even worse, wait until a damned bee gets past your windshield on your Hog, slams you in the face, drops in your lap, and starts stinging you in an unmentionable place. That happened to me once, and I was surprised at how fast I stopped that damn Hog of mine. Jeeze...that hurt. 
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Greg Mueller
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From: Port Gamble, WA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 03-01-2002 10:25 AM
It's really hard to judge how well, or to what degree the new security is working or not, without knowing how many terrorists have been discouraged or stopped altogether. We'll probably never know how many hijackings would have happened without the increased security. Maybe the best deterrent is the threat of what they may find, or who they may spot trying to get on the plane. With all the attention being focused on the security of the airports it certainly must be making the prospect of terrorist activity there, less attractive to the terrorists. I would say that the chances of a terrorist successfully navigating the screening process now are much slimmer than they used to be. Probably the biggest deterrent, however, is that the terrorists must now know that the passengers are not going to ride to their deaths like sheep, as they did pre 9-11. I don't ride airplanes that much, but if I want to, I will, and having to spend a couple of hours at the airport is just a means to an end for me. Besides that, those terrorist creeps will never intimidate me into not doing what I want, when, and where. I'll just be a bit more cautious about it.------------------ Greg Mueller Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut http://www.muellersatomics.com/
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Leo Enticknap
Film God

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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 03-04-2002 03:47 AM
Unless the disaster movies I've been watching are completely inaccurate, then if you fire a gun through the fuselage of a pressurised aircraft it's likely to be the last thing you do. I don't mind officials being armed with stun guns, pepper sprays or whatever, but the thought of them carrying firearms on aircraft would make me less likely to travel by air, not more.But the real issue is that terrorists look for the path of least resistance. If you wrap air travel up in security paranoia, the bad guys will just go for something else. Example: a friend of mine came to stay last weekend, and she managed to leave her suitcase on the train. She realised this just as we were walking down the platform and it was accelerating towards Newcastle. You could get quite a respectable bomb inside that suitcase and if it went off in a packed railway carriage doing 120mph the result would be a pretty hefty insurance claim. The fact is that we don't operate the same level of security for rail travel, e.g. ensuring that luggage always embarks and disembarks with its owner, which is what routinely happens with aircraft. I accept that with air travel the security is probably necessary because a falling aircraft would cause far greater damage to buildings and people on the ground than an exploding GNER express somewhere in the Vale of York. But we accept a certain level of risk when we do anything. The best way to minimise it is by going after the people who cause the problems rather than restricting the lives of innocent citizens.
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