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Mike Schindler
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Hurm...
I'm aware of how absurd it is to say that the genius of Soderbergh is a matter of fact and not opinion. It was a failed attempt to humorously show my love for the man. That's why I used the . That being said, I do believe that he is a genius, and the reason why I believe this is because he made OUT OF SIGHT, THE LIMEY, and TRAFFIC. Actually, forget about OUT OF SIGHT and TRAFFIC. THE LIMEY alone makes him a genius in my opinion. Anyone who could make a picture like that would have to be.

But just because he's a genius doesn't mean he hasn't made bad choices. KAFKA was a bad choice. That movie was crap. Putting Julia Roberts in all of his movies is also a bad choice. Deciding to edit SOLARIS by himself will probably prove to be a REALLY bad choice. And I'm guessing that shooting FULL FRONTAL on DV is another bad choice.

DV looks like shit. This has been established. All that I'm trying to say is that Soderbergh knows this, and is willing to settle for a shitty image in order to create a certain working environment and open up other creative avenues. I'm sure that you all have seen the ads for the XL1s which have been in just about every single magazine for the past year and a half, but just in case, here's what Soderbergh himself has to say on the subject:

"To use any other camera to shoot FULL FRONTAL would have been an unthinkable compromise. The XL1s continually expanded my ideas of how to stage and shoot scenes."

On the subject of emotional impact, I don't think that Soderbergh is trying to use the DV image to create an emotional response. Instead, he's gaining emotion by getting things like better performances out of actors who don't have to deal with the intrusions normally associated with the set of a 35mm production.

As for the whole Super 35/DV thing, yes, Super 35 can look damn good. But it very seldom does. Soderbergh's last movie was shot in Super 35, and it looked like shit. I wasn't trying to compare Super 35's lack of quality with DV's greater lack of quality. I was trying to compare how filmmakers will sacrifice a quality image in order to get something else out of their movie.

Ooh! And by the way, I was informed today that our theater (which is in the Chicagoland area) will be showing FULL FRONTAL starting 8/2! That made me very happy.

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Joe Redifer
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My IQ is 832, so I am indeed nowhere near the threshold!

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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John Lasher
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Brad said:
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Mike, I'm sure that someone out there thinks Freddy Got Fingered was a masterpiece of filmmaking. Don't laugh, I guarantee you there IS someone out there, somewhere who thinks that.

I wouldn't say a masterpiece, but on a really big screen with (LOUD) digital surround sound it actually comes off (IMHO) as a good movie. (I've seen quite a few worse.) On DVD I see it for what it really is, Tom Green using big studio money to do a feature-length episode of his TV show with a plot (sorta) on a bigger screen. So in a manner of speaking, Tom Green is somewhat of a genius because he directed a movie that only works as a movie on a really big screen. On DVD, with sound at more moderate volume levels it just comes off as a video. I imagine Monty Python's Meaning of Life is the same way although cannot offer opinion there having only seen it on VHS.

Just my $.02

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Dave Williams
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Let's talk about the genius of the studio that is releasing SOLARIS. With the expected lashback from Full Frontal, SOLARIS is going to get eaten alive. Reason? Simply this. They are opening SOLARIS right against the new STAR TREK picture on the same day. Paramount is going to spend an awful lot of time and money on promotion of this little gem, considering how much time and money they spent on production. SOLARIS has no chance to survive, considering also that the new LOTR film, the two towers, opens just six days after that. SOLARIS will get buried, so I hope they didn't spend too much money on it.

Dave

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Mike Schindler
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There actually is a critic in Chicago who thought that what Tom Green did in FREDDY GOT FINGERED was brilliant in a Kauffmanesque sort of way. He strongly recommended avoiding the film, but he thought that Green did what he was trying to do very well.

I'm guessing that FULL FRONTAL will do fairly well for an art house film, and that its success or failure will have virtually no impact on SOLARIS. I also think that SOLARIS will do better than STAR TREK: NEMESIS at the box office, although Dave is right, LOTR will kick both of their asses.

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John Pytlak
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Mike Schindler
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"Maybe Soderburgh is a genius. Maybe this is his way of demonstrating how bad video looks and how good film looks by switching back and forth in comparison."

It looks like you're right, Joe. Here are some Soderbergh quotes from the new issue of RES:

"[The movie is] playing with issues of aesthetics and why we view one type of aesthetic as more real than another aesthetic when they are both fabrications."

The article then talks about how Soderbergh wanted to make the film look like it was "processed in gasoline... starting by scanning the DV to Kodak's 5298, and pushing it 2 stops. 'Normally you would then go out to an intermediate stock, but I wanted to go out to a camera negative stock and we pushed that 2 stops. Then we made an Ektachrome dupe of that negative; Then we made an Ektachrome dupe of the Ektachrome dupe. And then we made a print on Vision Premier stock, which is very contrasty.... The level of deconstruction of the image reduced a lot of the aliasing you get when you shoot video.... What's interesting to me about it is that every time you leave the video and cut back to 35mm film, it's just so arresting that you sort of fall in love with film again.' "


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Charles Everett
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Full Frontal goes out "quasi-limited" on 8/2. In the NYC metro the Clairidge (Montclair), AMC Hamilton, Princeton Garden and UA Southampton will open Full Frontal day-and-date with Manhattan.

From what I read on the forums Miramax is sensing bad vibes with Full Frontal and wants to dump it opposite Signs.

OTOH Miramax should have expanded Tadpole to NYC suburbs this week. Tadpole is doing well in its NYC exclusive -- it would be a natural fit for the Clairidge and Princeton Garden.


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William T. Parr
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They did a Trade Screening of Full Frontal this week at the Paramount. Understand it was a lousy film.

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Mike Schindler
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It's only opening at about a dozen theaters in Chicago. Is it opening in just large cities, or is it going to be fairly wide?

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Charles Everett
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Mike S: Full Frontal breaks in 208 theaters per Box Office Mojo. Ian "The Violator" Price's arthouse opens it today alongside San Fran. Madison WI, Portland OR and Hartford CT also open it today; Rochester NY (larger metro than Madison) does not. That's what I meant by "quasi-limited".

Also, Miramax has its head up its ass once again. The stack ad in this week's Village Voice lists the Manhattan and Brooklyn theaters but does not say "And at Select Additional Theaters". The stack ad in today's Newark Star-Ledger says "And at Theatres Everywhere!" That's grounds for a lawsuit. Miramax also omits the AMC Hamilton and Princeton Garden from the Star-Ledger ad.


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Joe Redifer
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I also open it today. It RoCkXxZz!!!!!!11!1!!!!@ Da best movie evar!!!!!!!! OK maybe not. The camera work in the DV sequences sucks ass. I hate how when two people are having a conversation, the camera is only looking at one person, and there is NO EDITING to show the other person, except when the camera abruptly pans to show the other person. You can't have wide shots with digital video blown up to film. The whole thing is crap.

Oh wait.... but since it's playing at theaters like Ian's and mine, it's not crap, it's ART! And yes, every movie we show is better than every movie you mainstream guys show!


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Mike Schindler
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Joe,
The reason why there is "no editing" in the film is because Soderbergh intentionally shot every scene in one complete take, and then just cut out the stuff he didn't want. He was trying to make it feel like a documentary. This is also one of the reasons why it was shot on miniDV with no lighting and (as far as I know) no added sound effects.

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Joe Redifer
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This movie is bombing BAD! We have two prints (lucky us) and we haven't even sold ANY tickets for our second print yet. And our main print has sold maybe ten tickets at most, and four people have left mid-show because it was boring and looked BAD. There are only 4 screens with this movie in the entire Denver-metro area. Big Fat Greek Wedding continues to rake the people in even 10,000 weeks after release. Our theater is LOSING money with Full Frontal, as it costs more just to turn the breakers on for the auditorium than we make on this flick.

Nobody I talked to has appreciated the look of the DV footage. As if blowing DV up to film wasn't bad enough, he watered it down even more in post-processing to make it look even worse! I feel like ridiculing Sodaburger for this piece of crap "movie". It is boring as all hell and I hope people refer to this in the future.... "Hey man, don't use that video camera... don't pull a Sodaburger!"


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