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Mike Schindler
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This entire movie is about how it looks. If it didn't look the way it does, there would be no point to its existence. As it stands, I think it's pretty damn cool. But that's just me. It's doing terribly at my theater too.

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Rachel Gilardi
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We opened this film/video today. So many people came out and wanted refunds. One of my employees stayed after he got off work to count the people walking out, he liked it.

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Adam Fraser
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Besides it being on video, i think that the title may be scaring some people away. Sounds kinda like porn. For the same reason we wont be playing Triple X "XXX" even if it does well because we dont want our marquee to look like a porn theatre.

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Joe Redifer
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quote:
...there would be no point to its existence.

There is absolutely no point to its existence as it is. We are LOSING money just by playing this "movie". I cannot respect a movie or a "filmmaker" who hurts our business. Should have been a direct to video release. There is no point to its existence in the theaters at all.

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Mike Schindler
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So a movie isn't worthy of existence unless it makes money? Huh.

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Adam Fraser
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Not to a theatre owner Mike. If no money is coming in there is no money to pay the bills or the employees. No matter how "good" a movie is, it sucks to me if no one comes in the doors to enjoy it.

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Charles Everett
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Joe R is a lucky sonuvabitch. None of the NY metro theaters with Full Frontal have more than 1 print -- not even the Angelika, AMC Empire or Loews Lincoln Square.

And to think that UA booked Full Frontal into Southampton instead of Lovely & Amazing or Sunshine State.

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Mike Schindler
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Adam,
I can understand a theater not wanting to show a movie because it will not make money. It would be kind of counterproductive to do so. But to say something like, "There is absolutely no point to its existence as it is," is absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, in reference solely to money, there is little value in FULL FRONTAL (at least from a theater owner's POV. The film cost so little to make that I'm sure Disney will make a profit sooner or later). But movies in general, and this picture in particular, have a lot more to offer than just a means of making money.

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Charles Everett
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Looks like Full Frontal is a smash in the cities but a stiff in the suburbs.

The Loews Palisades Center drops it tonight after only 1 week. The Princeton Garden Theatre moves it tomorrow to a double-up (4:30 only). OTOH the Clairidge (Montclair), AMC Hamilton and UA Southampton keep it for a 2nd week with a full round of shows.

Mike S: Miramax already has made its money back on Full Frontal thanks to foreign pre-sales. Also, Miramax expands Tadpole to NYC suburbs tomorrow but isn't putting it in any megaplexes.


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Joe Redifer
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I don't care if the movie exists, just as long as it doesn't exist at MY theater. I am in the city (Denver) and it is a dud. The movie made $700,000 opening weekend. That figure would be great if it was just for my theater alone! But I am betting we only made $400 or so all weekend in ticket sales from this print.

I am not a Sodaburger fan, as he seems pretty run-of-the-mill to me for the most part, but he certainly has done much better than this movie. Shoulda been a straight to video release.

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Mike Schindler
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It would be interesting to see how this movie would have been if it was made for TV. I think that it would have been structured quite differently than it is now. I wonder which version would have worked better. I'm guessing the current version would, but maybe not. Either way, from a purely artistic standpoint, the way that the movie exists now would work a lot better on film than on video.

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Charles Everett
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The Nation (a US political magazine) ran a review of Full Frontal this week. Their "Film Snob" critic must have smoked a year's supply of crack before seeing Full Frontal. He actually loved that piece of Unfortunately his review is not available online.

Fortunately for us Film-Techers the real-life numbers tell the truth:

Loews Palisades Center -- 1 week and out.

UA Southampton -- 2 weeks and out.

Montclair NJ -- 2 weeks in the Clairidge, then 1 week in the Screening Zone (spillover theater down the street). Ends today.

Princeton Garden -- 1st week full schedule, 2nd and 3rd weeks a late matinee only. Ends today.

AMC Hamilton -- 1st 3 weeks full schedule, 4th week (from tomorrow) last show only in a double-up.

Based on these numbers Steven Soderburgh should have directed Pluto Nash.


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Carl Martin
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i feel i have to jump into schindler's camp here. i loved full frontal. i loved how the look of the film responded to the narrative level it was operating on at any given time. reminded me of wayne wang's use of film and video and video-projected-then-captured-on-film in chinese box. both needed to be seen theatrically to bring out the differences in texture. and they looked a lot better and more colorful than, say, road to perdition (murky and drab, yaaawn!). i loved the shot that lingered out-of-focus for maybe a minute before revealing the identities of the characters in it. what is not shown becomes as much part of watching the film as what is shown (this is the case with a film like signs too, only done differently). this goes for the resolution of the video shots as well. and only in watching the film theatrically can we really distinguish between what we don't see because we're not supposed to and what we don't see because it's not visible on our little tv.

why do people storm out of movies like this? perhaps because they have a very narrow conception of what films are and aren't often given the chance to see something that might widen their horizons. i say "given" but in fact they have to pay on the order of $10 and if they aren't grabbed within the first 5 minutes of the film they start thinking of other things they could do with that money and get resentful and closed-minded. i imagine.

look at what the impressionists were doing 100+ years ago in the world of painting. their work was far less "photographic" than much of what was done then (i think partly because of the invention of photography, but that's another barrel of monkeys), and they took a lot of flack at the time but are now revered and set the ball rolling for a lot of other movements that greatly enriched the world of art (and filmmaking is/can be an art). oh, and they fetch millions at auction.

it is, unfortunately, very important for exhibitors to think about a movie's opening weekend grosses (which are affected by many factors extrinsic to the film itself). but i think it is very sad when film people cannot appreciate a work on its own merits, as art (or entertainment if you prefer), without letting the bottom line color their judgment.

sorry if that sounds high-and-mighty.

carl

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Brad Miller
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You've got to remember Carl, that if a movie does not do at least a certain amount of money at the theater, the project turns into a loss of money for the studio that coughed up the dough to make said "art" in the first place. Plus a movie like "Full Frontal" hurts the theaters that take the risk of exhibiting small budget films/videos like this in the first place by tying up a screen that loses money. Remember a movie has to do a certain amount of business in order to be able to pay the bills of running it, all the way from electricity to staff to rent. A bomb like this one is bad news for everyone and should have been released direct to video.

Also by the common definition and defense of "art", a video shot by a 2 year old would be just as much of a "masterpiece". Just because it strays from the mainstream does NOT make it by default good.

By the way, I thought Road to Perdition looked fantastic. I don't need colors to be able to appreciate good cinematography. In fact, I'm quite fond of the possibilities with black and white over color.


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Claude S. Ayakawa
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Carl,

I will second what Brad wrote. "Beauty lies in the eys of the beholder" and I am very happy you had enjoyed "FULL FRONTAL" and felt it had lot of artistic merits. "ROAD TO PERDITION" was another artistic creation by another filmmaker and like Brad, I happen to have enjoyed that film very much because of the creative use of color in it's cinematography and for other other reasons including the performance by the leads. You seem to disagree and have negative opinion of that film but I feel that you are only contradicting yourself when you said you did not like the "drab" use of color in "THE ROAD TO PERDITION" thus making you feel that the film is a 'loser' and the erratic videography in "FULL FRONTAL" which you enjoyed makes the film a masterpiece. We all have our likes and dislikes when we see films and know what we like and do not like and that is why there is always a difference of opinion and that is very good. To say one film is bad because you did not like drab colors and another film great because of what I consider erratic camera work goes against your comments about the public failing to accept a new art form in cinema when we did did not share your favorable opinion of "FULL FRONTAL". What you are actually expressing is your own personal opinion. By the way, as far as I know, all of the artists during the Impressionism period over a hundred years ago including such reknowned painters such as Manet, Degas,Daumier and Monet were very popular in the art world and the painting methods they had established was appreciated by everyone at that time.

-Claude


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