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Jack Ondracek
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quote: James Westbrook
RCMH was using Orcon 2 consoles starting in the mid to late 70s. I read that in one of the Boxoffice magazine online archives.

By itself, that would explain a lot. Those consoles were horrible light hogs. About the only lamps I ever saw come close were the Christie CH-series boxes, especially the CH20.

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Jeff Taylor
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The size of the hall was a major factor in the organ as well. The pipe chambers are located on both sides of the procenium, which meant one chamber was on 50th St. and the other on 51St. On peppy, fast songs it was an issue that when the solo and toy box sections were a block away from the bass sections--the organist had to be really careful not to be confused by the echo. Dick Liebert, the original head organist, was gone RIP by the time I got there, but I did meet Ray Bohr, his assistant, and he was a font of information about the good old days at RCMH. I did get up to the booth, but didn't note the lighthouses. What was really impressive was the OTIS elevator configuration for the three stage lifts and the separate band gondola lift. Interesting was that the organs were originally supposed to have their own two lifts, but at the end they put them in the two chambers one each side of the procenium--there are half doors in each compartment and the organists had to crawl out on top of the bass pedals in their tuxedos to get onto the benches before the mechanisms pushed them out into view. Tough for poor Dick Liebert when he was 70 years old!

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Louis Bornwasser
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RCMH was, unfortunately, NOT the paragon of projection. Lots of XLs along with ORC lamps. All equipment was free for promotional value. Many times they ran 2 prints in near sync interlock because of the house value +5000 seats.

Screen was BIG; over 100 ft I understand. 4500 watts would not have given you 16 ft/lm. Louis

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Jeff Taylor
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Actually they advertised over 6000 seats to beat the advertised total for the Roxy, but in reality they had 5900+, with the reaminder portable seating on top of the orchestra pit when the elevator was up. I don't know the technical terms for it, but the RCMH has/had 2500 foot/stage/spot lights, and every light was driven by a separate vacuum tube. In the basement there was a room completely full of racks and racks of tubes left on 24/7 with its own A/C supply (two 1930 carrier steam turbines all polished brass--now it's cross connected with all the other Rock Center buildings on a centralized control system). It had to be 90 degrees in there.

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Richard May
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The equipment was upgraded in 1999. It wasn't free then.lol. Highlight II's were put in for 2& 3. Same 35/70 heads for projectors 2 & 3. They are only used for 70MM and 70MM 3D. 7000 watt lamps. Ridiculous light levels with silver screen. Projector 1 is original XL with IPC soundhead. ORC lamphouse with 5000 watt lamp. Projector 4 is what we use for 35MM screenings. XL 35/70 with Kinoton 5000 watt console. Projector 5 was taken out last year for digital projector. Projector 4 gets 12FT lamberts in flat on 50 foot screen.

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Scott Norwood
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What type of sound system (processing and loudspeakers) is installed at Radio City for motion-picture use?

And, why do (did) they have five projectors? I could see having four (to show 2-strip 3D features without intermissions), but why five?

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Stephen Furley
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The Odeon Leicester Square normally had three film projectors, of five different models over the years, but it did briefly have five. Three of these were BTH SUPAs and the other two were Kalee 8-perf Vistavision machines. Only one or two films ever ran in Vistavision. I don't know of anywhere with five normal machines.

I know of three cinemas which ran 3-D on four machines. Two were demolished long ago, one in the '50s. The other still stands but has been totally closed for about ten years. before that the main auditorium was disused apart from occasional organ concerts. As far as I know, three projectors are still installed, two converted to xenon, but seriously underpowered for the screen size, and the third still carbon, but probably also underpowered; it was a large screen.

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They generally always have two prints running at the the same time. As they say...you haven't been booed until you've been booed by 6000 or so people at once.

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Richard May
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At one point for the Christmas show, we used all 5 projectors. Since we used 2&3 for the 3D only, we needed more projectors. #1 has an encoder to sync the film up with sound as does 2&3. #4 used a scope lens for elements in the show. #5 used flat for it's elements. For film screenings we used a CP200 which is still there. Now Dolby brings in a 650. All JBL speakers. About 24 bass drivers and 9 horns per speaker. 12 JBL subs. JBL 8330 surrounds..... too many to count.

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Steve Guttag
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At least they let you all keep the CP200 (all of my 70mm theatres have them). I wouldn't bother with the CP650 for film shows.

RCMH was one of the few places with a Electrosound system, once upon a time.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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The sound system was retooled for LION KING. They ran a 70mm unsounded print married to 35mm-Dolby Digital on a separate machine.

RCMH Booth Pics (I do not know who posted these.)

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Jeff Taylor
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I wonder if those old carbon spots supposedly still in operation are fed off the old mg sets or if they've retrofitted the rectifiers.

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Richard May
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I took those pictures 2 years ago at the Christmas show load in. Those 2 old spotlights are next door in the center spot booth. They are 2000 watt zenons now.

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Gordon McLeod
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Years ago Warren Jenkens arranged a late night tour with bob enders At that time they had the ORC and a CP100 with the electrosound amps
There was also a Monee in the booth as well
The carbon arc spots had been converted to use a HDI Metal Halide lamp
What became of the organ from the second theatre that was in the Rockefeller center

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Jeff Taylor
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Everything you never wanted to know about the Center Theater pipe organ:

The organ in the RKO Roxy (Center) Theatre was one of three Wurlitzers ordered for Rockefeller Center, the others going to Radio City Music Hall (4/54, Op. 2179) and the Radio City Studio (3/14, Op. 2180). According to Music Hall organist C.A.J. Parmentier, the specifications for all three organs were drawn by R.P. Elliot of the W.W. Kimball Company, yet Wurlitzer got the contracts to build them. One possible explanation is that S.L. "Roxy" Rothafel, manager of both the RKO Roxy and Music Hall, had good experiences with the large Kimball organs that had been installed under his watch at the Roxy Theatre.

Although Op. 2178 had a similar design to Op. 2179 in the Music Hall, the latter was larger due to it having "straight" ranks while the RKO Roxy organ was highly unified. The RKO Roxy organ had a factory date of August 2, 1932 and cost $32,510. By comparison, the larger Music Hall organ cost $107,445, owing to it having a second console, second relay and two 32' stops.

The Center Theater organ was removed in the early 1950's and was installed in a roller skating rink in Alexandra, VA, where it remained for years. It was installed "unenclosed", meaning the pipes were out in the open, not enclosed in a chamber as is normal theatre organ practice. This made it LOUD for the skaters. It was removed in the late 70's-early 80's and sold to a collector in Phoenix, Ariz. The instrument was broken up some time after that, and the console is now in the Berkeley Community Auditorium, in Berkeley, Calif., controling a spectacular instrument based on the Toledo, Ohio, Paramount Wurlitzer, with choice Wurlitzer ranks added.

(courtesy NYC Chapter of the American Guild of Organists)

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