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Joe Redifer
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The answer to Brad's question is "SoundApp PPC". Too bad it's not available on Windows!

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Dave Williams
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In answer to an earlier question as to why I bother with MP3 conversion if my file sizes are so big they get close to the original LPCM file, actually, they are considerably smaller.

While most mp3 conversions by the average user get to nearly 20/1 compression, I usually reach a 8/1 compression, not the 2/1 compression thought.

The commercial packages allow for greater flexibility. I have heard both complaints and praises of just about all of the codecs, so it really is all up to the end user.

Dave

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Bobby Henderson
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MP3 music files encoded at a high, yet superior, bitrate like 320kb/s will commonly result in file sizes around 8MB to 12MB depending on song length. That is a big savings considering an average length song in full LPCM 2.0 will gobble around 50MB of disc space.

With hard discs boasting giant capacities, CD-Rs being cheap and even portable music players having lots of disc space, I think it is kind of silly to encode MP3 files at rates as low as 128kb/s like most people do.

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Ken Lackner
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Another MD question. Minidisco.com sells alot of portables from Japan. What do you guys think about these models?

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Bill Enos
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I have noticed fewer and fewer MD units in stores. Best Buy had none in the stores and the discs are only in one place. Other retailers are similar. Is this a dying or dead format? Looks like it to me.

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Ken Lackner
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Sharp and Sony keep coming out with new models every few months. MD doesn't seem too popular, but it certainly isn't dead. Seems like is has sort of a "cult following."

Check out www.minidisco.com for all your MiniDisc needs.


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Claude S. Ayakawa
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I will still continue to use my minidisc player only when I go to the gym for workouts. For all of my other portable music needs, I have decided to purchase and use a Mac iPod. I just ordered the standard 5GB model yesterday from a friend who is a Mac dealer here in Honolulu and he told me that the same iPod he personally use is better than minidisc because of the different compresson setting I can use to download music from Cds on my new G4 iMac. When recording from the lowest compression level, I was told that the sound quality will be almost as good as the original CD. At the next level, the quality will be better than a minidisc and set at the highest compression setting I will get sound one would get from a standard brand audio cassette minus the hiss because the iPod records in digital. Set at the lowest level, I can dowload about seven CDs. The next level should allow me to download about 16 and double that at the highest level.

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Chris Markiewicz
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First post, having been lurking for a while. MD and CD-R are common with touring live dance and theatre shows. Several dance companies we have booked for this season are requesting MD playback for music and effects. MD has largely replaced DAT, despite the lossy compression.

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Jeff Skallan
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Some time ago, I snatched up a pair of Sony earbud headphones, model MDRE888SP from www.minidisco.com and was astonished by the sound quality! They fit so comfortably inside my ears that while listening to music I often forget that I have them in. I've even been out mountain biking with them and never had them fall out.

I listen to my MD portable nearly everyday at work while threading the first set of shows, but now I have a problem. I accidentally stepped on one of the buds and it is crushed beyond repair. [Mad] Being that I love these things, I wouldn't think twice about buying a new pair for $75, but before I take the plunge, does anyone know of any outstanding in-ear phones to recommend?

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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quote:
When recording from the lowest compression level, I was told that the sound quality will be almost as good as the original CD... Set at the lowest level, I can dowload about seven CDs.
Shouldn't you be able to fit 7 (x700MB = 4.9GB or 4.8GB) CD's on the iPod without compression (and therefore sound the same as a CD)? Sure you need some space for a file allocation table, but 100MB would be more than sufficient.

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Joe Redifer
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$75 ouch! That'll teach ya to forget that they exist! Sounds like you got your money's worth, though. Though I have a hard time understanding how you could listen to MD as you thread when you could listen to MovieTunes instead. Or maybe you record MovieTunes to MD? That's gotta be it. What do I listen to as I thread the first set of shows? Projector noise recorded to MD. If I am in a booth and I don't hear projectors running, I feel like we'll go out of business or something. [Smile]

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