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Some people get it and some dont. I got it. They were funny it all depends on your sense of humor but i have every right to like them just as much as anyone does to hate them.

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If your sense of humor is seeing just how close you come to getting locked in jail for public lewdness and child endangerment, then more power to ya. If you got it, then I am sorry, because I do not see the humor in disgracing yourself in public and the chance of going to jail for a while and possible permantly screw with some childrens brains. But like you said, some people just don't get it.

As for you have every right to like them as anyone has as much right to hate them? Who said hate? I never said I hated them. I don't have to hate in order to not like. There are varying degrees of grey here. When someone goes to far and intrudes upon my right of space and decency, then that is too far. If I cannot just turn off the radio, then that is too far. If they wanted to keep it confined to a studio somewhere and just keep it a bit surreal rather than making it real, then that is not a problem for me.

I sincerely doubt that even you would find it funny for someone to come into your house while you were sleeping and started jerking each other off on your couch for a radio gag. No that didn't happen, but where does it stop?

I am glad that you are standing by your convictions in that you do not change your mind at all for anyone or any reason. That level headed straight forward thinking keeps most people on top of the ladder of life. Let it be a strong point for you. Just remember that most people that disagree with you are not in exact opposite, but just may be slightly left or right of your position.

I am for freedom of anything, so long as it is not an unauthorized intrusion into anyone else. If they can turn it off, more power to the shock jocks.

Dave

As a theatre manager if someone came in to my theatre and pulled this stunt I would probably be angry, I would certainly call the police and ban the participants from entering the building, and if I could file charges against the people that did it I would, It is my responsibility, same as the catholic church. What I would not do is start a crusade to get people who werent there with them fired from thier job no matter how distasteful i think they are. I would stop with the individuals who violated my property I would not take it that step one further that they did where it is now affecting other people who may have enjoyed the show.

Just so you know I completely understand and respect your opinion you make for a very good debate In all honesty my sense of humor is not geared so much to the gross sexual stuff it is more towards the other stuff they do. Take for an example um... "Not another teen movie" a lot of people saw this as nothing but a grossout comedy, I was able to look past that more and pay attention to the spoofing of "teen" movies and I loved it, sometimes if you can look past the grossout and sexual stuff you may find some very funny things. Its the same with O&A and even Howard Stern in his day. Hell to me private parts was a touching love story

Having said that...
I cant believe that after 2 years I finnally started a thread that got more than 2 replies!!!

OK! TERRIFIC!

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Some people get it and some dont. I got it. They were funny it all depends on your sense of humor but i have every right to like them just as much as anyone does to hate them.

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I think you're still missing the point. The O&A show had a contest in which the only way to win was to behave illegally. It would be like having a contest to see which listener could shoplift the most merchandise from a list of stores. It doesn't matter that O&A weren't physically at St. Patrick's. That's why O&A is off the air. Whether they are still under contract is a moot point. When a CEO is removed from his position and placed on some special assignment, we still say the guy got fired -- it doesn't matter that he's still getting paid.

Yes, you have the right to think anything is funny and I have the right to criticize guys like O&A on the basis of an intellectual argument making the case that their show (and shows like theirs) have no artistic merit whatsoever. And I can argue that in the limited bandwidth of terrestrial radio broadcasting that a station willing to broadcast material of artistic merit should be favored to receive a broadcast license over one that has no artistic merit.

As a society, we don't have to accept the "lowest common denominator" just because a corporation thinks it happens to make money. If it weren't for the Congressional give-away that deregulated radio and allowed consolidation to take place so that only two companies control most of the radio in the US, 'shock-jock' radio and the McDonaldsization of radio never would have happened.

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2) disagree O&A weren't to blame. Reason? Would this couple have done this without their contest? Pretty sure no, as I have never heard of something like this happening before and it obviously has the ability to make headlines.

Jokes are fine, no matter how vulgar/offensive to some. As has been stated, you can change the dial. However, sending people out to purposefully break the law makes you guilty too. For instance, you hire someone to kill your spouse, you are still going to to be nabbed for solicitation of a homicide. But all you did was tell someone to kill them, you didn't make them do it. Also, it is EXTREMELY irresponsible to put such in act in view of children. Would you not explode had you witnessed this with your child at your place of worship or even outside your home?

Now there is the debate of what harm could it do to children? They are over-sexed these days anyways what with pregnant 12-year-olds and 10-year-old Britney Spears clones. But where do you think that started? The media. Radio, TV, etc. Now when my daughter grows up she can ask me whatever she wants and in the meantime I will do my best to protect her from corruptive influences. But that could all be shattered one day when she decides to join her friends in their church and some idiots are trying to win a radio contest so she gets shown the mechanics of "doggie style" first hand.

I say they're gone, and someone just like them will be on air within the year, why get upset over it?

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To verify that they indeed did the challenge, the store had a converted ambulance with video equipment that would follow the contestant.

Needless to say, they got caught, and the store faced charges for instigating illegal activity. So even if the store owners or employees didn't moon the cop, they certainly encouraged it by offering a gift certificate to anyone who would do so. I believe the store is closed now for that, and other reasons.

If you incite to illegal activity, you are legally culpable and an accessory to the fact. If a ship's captain convinces his crew to dump the cargo, he is guilty of barratry. The crew members may be let go of charges for the simple fact that they may have not been apprised of the illegal nature of the act before hand.

Such as the case here. However the couple really should have known it was illegal. Sam Adams should not have sponsored this contest, and O&A should have not engaged in enticing participants to win the contest by engaging in illegal activity.

Sam Adams brewery, O&A, the station management and owners, as well as anyone else in the loop who could have stopped the promotion, are all culpable participants, right along with the couple who did it.

This is something that has been proven time and again in our system of law and order. If you entice to riot, yell fire in a theater, whatever, you are doing a wrong thing, and if caught, can get a few years in the pokie.

What of the woman in Georgia who started that whole thing by telling police that three medical students were going to start a big terrorist plot? Here is a woman who knew that there was a 25 million dollar reward for turning in terrorists, stared them down repeatedly, tried to overhear thier conversations, only heard bits and pieces, from a minor distance mind you, and other than her server who also could not hear a great deal, no one else in the crowded restaraunt heard this terror threat she heard.

This woman caused a great panic, and may have ruined, albiet temporarily, the lives of three law abiding upstanding individuals, just because they are of middle eastern decent. If they were white, they could have said they were going to blow up half of the eastern seaboard, and this woman wouldn't have cared either way.

So is she guilty of incitement? No. But someone is. Who? George Bush. Now this isn't a political diatribe, I like the guy alot. But when someone makes repeated announcements that if you turn in people for large cash awards, and the only details you have to go off of are that most terrorists are of middle eastern decent (media reports), then what are you to do. She did exactly what she was supposed to do. It wasn't right, but she was put into that position because an entity, in this case the US goverment, encited HER to be overtly suspicious and report anything in the hopes of collecting a big cash reward. I don't trash her, she just did in this case what she thought was the right thing to do.

Back to O&A, Sam Adams et al, they encited illegal activity, big difference.

What the hell am I talking about?

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Cedric The Entertainer's character in 'Barbershop' does a joke making fun of Rosa Parks, O.J. Simpson, and Rodney King. This apparently made both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton go ballistic. Thats the apparent 'controversy'.

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You're trying to reduce this to "a few people got offended and so they got fired and it's not fair." 2.5 million New York Catholics are not a 'special interest group' by any stretch of the imagination. All legal decesions involving obscenity take into account the prevailing standards of the community in total, and not any one individual. Opie and Anthony offended an entire city with this stunt and threatened the license of the station. That's why they got the hook, and it was a long time coming. I'm a division-of-Viacom employee myself and I'm delighted they are gone, and I wish they would have taken Howard Stern with them. I don't care how it affects my 401k.

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