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Sean McKinnon
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 - posted 10-06-2002 10:19 PM      Profile for Sean McKinnon   Author's Homepage   Email Sean McKinnon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
1. Opie and Anthony have not been fired.

2. Station management ok'ed the stunt therfore they were just doing thier jobs and following orders if any gets canned it should be station management for ok'ing the stunt.

3. I am very certain that if the FCC were to rule using only what was broadcast it will be found that they did not break any rules.

I feel like I am repeating myself over and over again. I am a Catholic and I was not offended so therefore every catholic was not offended, and the Catholic Action League is certainly a special interest group.


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Dave Williams
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Sean,

If it seems like you are repeating yourself, you are. WHY YOU ASK???

It is simple. On the surface it seems as if you are in support of what Opie and Anthony did. Maybe you are. All anyone is trying to tell you is what they did was not just in violation of COMMON decency, but in fact was very illegal.

However, I think in reality it is not that you aren't seeing the point, but rather you have an entirely different point I believe. I think, from what I can gather from your posts, is not that you are actually supporting illegal action, but rather a freedom of speech issue.

From a freedom of speech issue, what they did was completely legal. How are they to actually know that someone wouldn't just fake it for the radio. Who is to know? They didn't ask someone to steal anything or physically hurt anyone. And any psychological harm is vague because we are talking about individuals.

When it comes to individuals, each responds differenly from another. A community bands together to write statutes of morals, or laws to live by. These are never posted, and always change from province to province. If no laws exist for the offence charged, community standards are often used to prosecute. However, in most cases, never work, as it is almost impossible to prove community standards of conduct, when you cannot just break into peoples houses to find out how they REALLY live.

We had a similar case here in Utah. Not with radio, but with Videos. A company that I worked for, Movie Buffs, was well known for offering adult videos. We required 21 and over to rent them. We were busted in the small town of Lehi, for violating community standards. After two years and two trials, a total aquittal came. However, the business was bankrupt from legal bills, and bad publicity.

The prosecuting attorney stated "we got a moral victory, we got those smut peddlers out of our town". They spent half a million dollars of state and county money to put 300 people in three states out of work, myself included. And that was thier moral victory.

So I empathize with Opie and Anthony. Not with the stunt, but with the fact that they only did what they always had done. Nothing new there. Would they have actually been convicted of any crime? Unknown. But any group or city can use thier money and clout to put anyone down and out of business if they just throw thier weight around. It isn't right, fair, or MORAL to do so.

If they did truly commit a crime, then they should be charged, prosecuted, and then given a FAIR trial. Only then do you really know if true crime had been committed. Only know, this may not happen at all. Instead, the sig in question got thier way, without due process, which all persons in this country are entitled.

It happens all the time. Even with due process, the wrong things happen still. I do not excuse opie and anthony, but empathize that they did not get due process, or even an opportunity to apologize and move on with thier show.

Dave

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Michael Schaffer
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As an European resident, I am not familiar with Opie and Anthony or their show. That church thing certainly sounds gross, but isn`t forgiveness part of the Christian way of life? Maybe those Action League people should follow JC`s example at least once in a while and rather spend their time feeding the poor and sheltering the homeless.
I am offended by hypocrisy.
I never heard Howard Stern`s show, but I saw the movie a couple years ago, and I loved it. Especially his sense of self-irony when he plays himself as a student with that stupid wig should be a reminder to many people out there not to take themselves too seriously.
Michael


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Martin Brooks
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Opie and Anthony were not taken off of the air directly as a result of the actions of the Catholic organization, although there certainly was substantial pressure.

They were taken off the air primarily because the publicity from the incident scared away advertisers. And once a station loses the respect of its advertisers, it can no longer operate succesfully. Also, since this incident involved illegal behavior, the station had to show the FCC that it was taking action in advance of their FCC hearing.

In addition, it is suspected, although I can't prove it, that the order to take O&A off of the air came from Sumner Redstone himself, who apparently was unaware of the nature of the Shock Jock radio format. That is why WNEW is changing its entire format, not just putting restrictions on what its jocks can do or say.

Howard Stern has received $milions in fines from the FCC, but Infinity has not removed him from the air because he still has the support of advertisers.


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Charles Everett
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Sean: Opie & Anthony were fired -- it was front-page news in New York. Their national syndication also was canceled. The station manager and program director of WNEW were let go as a result.

The group that blew the whistle is officially known as the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights. It shares the same address as the Archdiocese of New York and is on the archdiocese's phone system. In actuality, the Catholic League is a right-wing pressure group that promotes censorship.

The Catholic League bullied Miramax into not releasing Dogma in the US. The Catholic League is now bullying Disney over another picture Miramax just picked up -- a movie that tells of sadism at a Catholic orphanage abroad.

Two years ago the Catholic League and then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani tried to shut down the "Sensation" exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum. Why? One objet d'art in "Sensation" had cow dung on the Virgin Mary. That prompted Jay Leno to correctly denounce Giuliani as fascist.


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David Favel
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The Catholic League bullied Miramax into not releasing Dogma in the US.
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Actually; $8.669m (USA) (14 November 1999) (1269 screens)



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David Stambaugh
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quote:
The Catholic League bullied Miramax into not releasing Dogma in the US.

Though Miramax dropped "Dogma", it still had a lengthy run here in Eugene (Regal).

quote:
cow dung on the Virgin Mary

Actually I think it was elephant dung.

quote:
prompted Jay Leno to correctly denounce Giuliani as fascist

Leno later apologized to Guiliani. (AP)- "Leno also offered a partial apology for a comment he made on the show in April about a decency committee Giuliani had appointed. "I used the word fascist -- poor choice of words," Leno said."


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Mike Heenan
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Lion's Gate did the theatrical release for Dogma after Miramax didn't, and I believe Miramax did the video release (I think).

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Sean McKinnon
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Charles,

They were not fired they are still under contract their show is just canceled.

Now back to movies...

See, thats what I dont get why do people feel they have to work to get a movie banned? If someone wants to pay thier money to see it then they should be allowed too. what are these people afraid of? So a movie portrays something they do not like they have the ability not to go and see it.


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Charles Everett
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Miramax produced Dogma but backed away from that movie in the US when the Catholic League cried wolf. In the US, Dogma was released in theaters via Lions Gate and on video via Columbia TriStar.

The Phoenix DJ who placed a phone call to Mrs. Daryl Kile has been fired.

Also -- contrary to Sean M -- Infinity Broadcasting fired Opie & Anthony for cause. Google for "Opie Anthony fired" and you'll find the New York newspaper stories about the whole mess.

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