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Michael Schaffer
"Where is the
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posted 10-17-2002 09:37 PM

People over here were rather amused by the whole Clinton affair on the one hand and more than a little concerned that the people who run the most powerful nation on earth should put so much effort into investigating trifles such as this on the other.
Michael

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Gordon McLeod
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posted 10-17-2002 09:44 PM

People from all over the world read filmtech and as such maybe less biased remarks and a more open mind would be advised.
As for clinton most canadians fet it was a waste of money investigating him after all we had Maggie Trudeau

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Michael Schaffer
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posted 10-17-2002 09:48 PM

I vaguely remember Trudeau as the name of a Canadian politician but wasn`t he a guy?
Michael

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Gordon McLeod
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posted 10-17-2002 09:58 PM

Piere Elliot Trudeau was the primeminister of Canada for serveral terms of office. He was typically popular for bringing the canadian constitution home from england less so for declaring the war measures act during the FLQ crisis in quebec and for wage and price controls
For a long time he was canadas most eligible bachelor how married a hippie from vancouver. Some of her affairs including the rolling stones
He was also famous for mumbling the F word in parliment but tried to say he said fuddle duddle instead

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 10-17-2002 10:34 PM

Clinton's affair didn't bother me in the least. Most men have an affair at some time or other weather they want to admit it or not. But what bothered me about Clinton was that anything else he did was pretty darn stupid, and usually he did nothing about anything at all. Gore only magnified that at times and lately is magnifing himself to a new level of how really stupid he is. Take the news conference he held a couple of weeks ago that I heard it live on the radio. Man, he obviously didn't have a clue as to what he was saying about Iraq. Even the radio commentators were laughing at his speech. He has no access to high level intelligence anymore, how could he have known anything. Again he was just babbling at the mouth as usual. What he sort of implied though was lets wait and see if they attack us before we attack them. Ok, Hey, lets loose another 3000 or 5000 Americans just to be sure on this first. What a dork!

Gord, I always thought Trudeau was a rather amusing personality!!
Mark

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Sam Hunter
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posted 10-17-2002 11:06 PM

If you want to claim victory in this discussion then so be it.
I realize that there are differences to opinions from one person to another and mine wont be swayed as yours wont be swayed so what’s the point of discussing it further.
I joined this forum for information and guidance in my Hobby of film collecting, not to get into a debate, which could jeopardize my standing with my fellow collectors and related.
And to the folks who might be offended by the "RAGHEAD" description then I apologize. When I say RAGHEAD I was really referring to the Whacked out Extremist who thinks that we are the Evil Nation and should be destroyed.
I take full responsibility for what I say and do on these forums and I could debate this stuff all night.
So in that I respectfully decline from this discussion for the sake of good relations.

To Brad, maybe the policy on these forums may be altered to the fact that political and religious discussions should not be placed here.

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Samual Hunter Sr.

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Michael Schaffer
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posted 10-17-2002 11:07 PM

I am not very familiar with US politics - net even with local politics either - but I was under the impression that the Clinton administration achieved a balanced state budget and sped up the economy.
Anyway, he was a very amusing personality. I wonder how often Hilary sent him to bed without supper.
Michael

edit - You shouldn`t worry that his adventures in any way damaged the reputation of the US over here in Europe - on the contrary. Clinton was and still is immensely popular here. He was invited as special guest for the revelation of the renovated Brandenburg Gate in Berlin on reunion day (10/3).

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 10-17-2002 11:20 PM

Michael,
Actually it takes several terms of presidents, typically at least two before we see any major economy shift for the good or for worse. Its a trickle down effect, so that means that Clintons good economy was started by Ronald Reagan, kept up by George Bush the 1st, then left for Hillary to take over. Actually I don't remember the Hillary economy getting any better, or worse than when Bush the 1st was in office. Seems that it was about the same overall. Things are much worse now but mainly due to 9/11 and the coporate exectutives that have stolen from their companies. Enron and the like. Back in the Reagan and Bush terms home mortgage interests plummetted to new lows. From as high as 18% to a low of 10.5%. I know, as thats when I bought my first house, then refinanced it when the rates dropped that much. Rates are now a rediclous 6%(1955 rates!) in many cases out here in Utah, and other ststes. But thats a stimulation thing for the economy that will not last for ever.
Mark

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Michael Schaffer
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posted 10-17-2002 11:48 PM

What worries many people over here is the tendency of US politicians to go to war rather quickly. Europe has been savaged by wars for all of its history until 1945 (the Balcans conflict was a civil war), the last and biggest of which was started by Germany, as you all know. But people here have learned the lesson and are very cautious about going to war in general.
Mr Hussein is a very dangerous person indeed, but it is irritating to see that Mr Bush is so fixated on him. There are many other serious problems, e.g. the Israel situation. Most Americans don`t seem to realise that the roots of the terror which struck in New York are not in Iraq or not even in Afghanistan. In fact, it is the enormously tense internal political situation in Saudi Arabia which is nurturing the kind of terrorism we have seen.
But the Saudis are immune because they sit on the oil wells and cooperate with the western countries. It seems to have slipped the attention of most people that the majority of the 9/11 terrorists were no Iraqis, Afghans or Palestinians, but Saudi Arabians.
Quiz: which country does Mr bin Ladin come from?
Michael

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Mike Heenan
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posted 10-18-2002 12:12 AM

Wasn't Ronald Reagan responsible for our trillion dollar plus deficit?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 10-18-2002 03:15 AM

Mike,
More likely the remnants of the Vietnam war, Nixon, and Gerald Ford who didn't have a clue about anything. Raegan inherited a mess to start with. Trillion dollar deficits take quite a while to add up!!
Mark

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Leo Enticknap
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posted 10-18-2002 08:22 AM

Actually, Bin Liner's economic links to Saudi Arabia have started surfacing in the last day or two: in particular, this story raises the issue of why the US Government does not seem to be prioritising the Saudi end as a means to disabling Al Queda.

IMHO it is necessary to separate George W's motives in this from the likely outcome of Iraq - or any other country controlled by Islamic extremists - getting its hands on WMDs. During the Cold War the principle of Mutally Assured Destruction ensured that no-one nuked each other. The logic was simple: we don't want to die, we know that if we nuke the other side then they'll nuke (ergo kill) us, therefore we keep our fingers off the button.

With Islamic extremism none of this applies, because the principle of 'we don't want to die' isn't there. They practice religious beliefs which condone - and in some cases even require - observers to kill other people and themselves in certain circumstances. So if they have WMDs, no rational argument is going to prevent them from being used. The only thing that will is the certainty that they will be prevented from achieving their objectives.

Nobody wants a war for the sake of it, but what is the lesser evil - making a stand now or waking up one day and finding that Sharia law has been imposed in York?

BTW, Michael's comparison with WWII is an interesting one - during the mid-30s Churchill was portrayed as an unintelligent and reactionary right-wing extremist by his political opponents (largely as a result of his support for rearmament), just as George W. is now.

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Bob Maar
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posted 10-18-2002 10:29 AM

Michael, I am well aware of everything you mentioned in your posts above and If I know it and you know, I am quite certain that the President and the congress and the senate know it.

There comes a time, which hasn't come yet, but it is getting close, when the talking stops and you have to do what you have to do.

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Steve Kraus
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posted 10-18-2002 10:38 AM

We were running deficit budgets for many years under many administrations, at least since the Viet Nam era. However, it was under Reagan that the deficits turned absolutely massive because of his enormous increases in defense spending while at the same time cutting taxes. He slashed social spending and/or let them lapse inflation but that was nothing compared to the increase in defense and the tax cuts. The irony here was that Reagan and the GOP always chided the Dems, when they were in power, for "tax & spend." So I guess it's better to deficit & spend.

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Dave Williams
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posted 10-18-2002 12:55 PM

Let me ask this, do you have a mortgage on your house? Could you have purchased one without it? Probably not. Our country was in a rut and we needed to buy a mortgage to get out of it. We got out, now it is time to start paying off that mortgage. It is pure and simple economics.

Lets talk about the right winged republicans who spend millions of our tax dollars prosecuting bill clinton. This was spent by the Justice department, not the republicans. The justice department was run by Janet Reno, who appointed the special prosecutor and gave him unlimited budgetary spending power. Reno is a liberal. Not a conservative. Not right winged in any sense of the word.

To use right winged is to admit leftist liberal leanings. Its all politics and its he said she said. ITS ALL CRAP. hey mistakes are made all the time. Get over it.

Dave

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