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I would like to think that most people here, yourself included have open minds. For every quip you have on the republicans I got one on the democrats. Its all the same crap. I am moderate whatever. Neither party. But all this blame game is pointless.

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Now you're using the word persecute to describe the actions of people who dislike Mr. Bush and his policies and trying to say that their actions are comparable to those who tried to prosecute Mr. Clinton. Hardly even close. What do you refer to that rises to the level of "persecution?" Political speeches? Newspaper columns? That's hardly persecution. If anyone was persecuted it was Clinton, hounded for almost 8 years.

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Thoughts on this discussion:

1) I get a little nervous when a man who pronounces the word "nuclear" as "NUKE-U-LEHR" is in charge of so many terrible weapons; especially when that man's job consists 90% of talking/speech-making which should be his greatest strength.

2) One fact I heard among the hundreds flying around during election time was that the Bush Boys run/ran the 2 states (Texas and Florida) with the worst drug and crime problems. This seems surprising because in the "retail world" if I ran the worst department chances of promotion would probably only stem from lack of options (Gore or Bush?)

3) I think it a bit hypocritical to say no other country can develop nukes while America can have as many as they want. I just imagine a scenario such as the one portrayed in Stephen King's "The Dead Zone", where some maniac gets his finger on the "big red button" and the world goes "poof". Why are we so trustworthy? On the other side of the coin, I really fear the idea of someone throwing a nuke over to the US. Sure I don't want my daughter dealing with a Nuclear Winter, but I'd rather someone didn't fly a plane into her daddy's Best Buy either.

What it comes down to is I don't know the right course of action. Inspections seem to have done squat in the past, there are probably ties of terrorism to Hussein and other countries so should their citizens be held accountable? I hate the idea of killing off hundreds or thousands of INNOCENT people so my family can live safely, just because those innocents live close to a lunatic they cannot escape. I know I would be pissed if my family was killed because somebody bombed us in what they thought was self defense.

In short I'm glad I'm not the president, but I'm not thrilled with our current situations and how they are being handled either. I don't have any better ideas though, so I guess I cannot complain. As for our economy and prior contributors, I was pre-teen during Reagan and barely in my teens for Bush Sr. so I can really only comment on later Clinton years and GWB. Not had much time to research recent history and as many of you probably know pulic high school only really involves you in the Revolution.....all 4 years of high school.

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The secret code you refer to is the fact that I am dyslexic. In fact if I even try to look at the screen when I type a message I blow it. So instead I just look at the wall when I type, it comes out better. But in reality I cannot tell the difference between capitalized letters and not. I just trust my fingers to do the talking for me.

As for Steve K. WHOA DUDE!!! No really, I consider any political debate to be of the highest caliber. The fact that we can remain collegues and friends makes it that much more enlightening.

In fact, quite often I am not right, and sometimes, as I live in a very conservative state, I am bombarded by information that may not be completely accurate.

As for the bill clinton Thing, although I did not vote for him, I did look to his presidency for leadership, and found that many programs that he either did or tried to do were very good. The country is better for his bieng in office for eight years. There are many reasons for it. Besided, I don't know why the republicans wanted clinton out, they would have had to deal with Gore, and he would have ripped them a new hole if they threw out Clinton.

And for what, cheating on his wife? I would have cheated on her. SHes a pain in the royal behind.

As for the ken Starr thing, I hate the guy. I realize now that I may be quite wrong about what I know about the situation, other than it was completely a total screw job. 55 million dollars wasted, and for what? to find out that Monica Lewinsky blew the president a few times. SO WHAT.

Did anyone see the HBO special with Lewinsky? We were able to see a different side to the story, once the gag order was lifted from her so she could finally tell what happened to her.

Back to Bush, I like the guy, but war scares the hell out of me. I just hopes he knows what he is doing. I will back him up. He just has to promise me that he wont blow me up.

True, at this time no one is trying to prosecute bush, but the persecution is there, not as bad as it was with Clinton though. If it were not for war, believe me it would be pretty tough. Right now people cannot concentrate on issues like that. It gets shoveled out the door.

I lost track, where am I again? Oh yeah, Utah. Conservative to a fault. So conservative that we make the Republican Party of the country look like liberals.

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Mind you, I suppose we're in no position to talk. In Britain, our corrupt, dishonest, tax-happy and incompetent government only has to say 'vote for us because we're not as bad as the alternative' (i.e. the Conservative Party). People do, because sadly, that statement is entirely true. Our steadily declining election turnouts tell the story, I'd say.

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...but since other nationals frequent this forum then lets show them that we can unify and put aside our differences and act as one even if our government cant

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This is the USA/UK/Germany/Cyberspace, not Iraq! I gather that in Iraq Mr. Hussein recently scored 100% in a vote with a 100% turnout. An amazing place, Iraq... it seems that no-one ever goes on holiday or gets sick! But the western democracies still managed to win two world wars whilst operating a system of government that allowed for disagreement and debate, so I'd say that there was little to worry about on that score.

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I get a little nervous when a man who pronounces the word "nuclear" as "NUKE-U-LEHR" is in charge of so many terrible weapons; especially when that man's job consists 90% of talking/speech-making which should be his greatest strength.

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I cringe whenever W says "NEW-cue-lur". That means I cringed about 20 times while listening to one of his recent speeches. However, note that Jimmy Carter, a trained nuclear engineer no less, also pronounces it "NEW-cue-lur". Clinton said "NEW-cue-lur" sometimes, and Eisenhower also said "NEW-cue-lur". Look it up.

But damn, you'd think someone on W's staff would get that problem corrected. Maybe W is a Simpsons fan and picked it up there...