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Tim Reed
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Rachel, girls receive different treatment than boys with insurance companies. Really.

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Joe Redifer
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Bill-

I don't know why it was OK for 13 months. I certainly don't remember it. No probs, though.

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Mike Blakesley
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Bill - not to worry, Joe found a thread of Phil's to lock, so you're probably safe until he gets bored again. [Big Grin]

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Rachel Craven
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quote: Tim Reed
Rachel, girls receive different treatment than boys with insurance companies. Really.
Yeah, I know! [Smile] That's cause we drive better.

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Phil Hill
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quote: Mike Blakesley
Bill - not to worry, Joe found a thread of Phil's to lock, so you're probably safe until he gets bored again.
OK Mike! You're really pushing it! If you keep this up, I will cross you off my Christmas card list! [Eek!]

(Dear Diary: Where was that "Joe is a Jerk" thread?)

>>> Phil

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Tim Reed
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quote: Rachel Gilardi
Yeah, I know! That's cause we drive better.
No comment. [Wink]

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William Hooper
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quote: Tim Reed was the last to post
That's cause we drive better.

I know they get fewer tickets. I've been in the passenger seat with 4 girls who drove in a monster leadfooted manner that made ME impressed, were pulled over, & got no ticket.

(Smiling HUGE) "I didn't know I was going that fast, I wasn't looking! I'm so sorry!"

"Well all right, but you slow it down all right now? I don't want to have to get the call some night that you've had an accident!"

"Oh yes sir!"

(Driving away) "Eee hee hee, I didn't get a ticket!"

(Passenger struggles to blink or close mouth)

If I drove like them, the cops wouldn't even ask me to roll down my window, they'd just shoot it out.

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Scott Norwood
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I had my hearing with the magistrate today. The score so far is Me: 0, Commonwealth of Massachusetts: 1.

In Massachusetts, speeding is definied as a civil, not criminal matter. The first appeal of a traffic ticket is heard by a clerk-magistrate, not a judge. He gets paid out of the same fund into which ticket revenues are added. For this hearing, the cop who actually wrote the ticket does not need to show up (and almost never does). For these hearings, the police deparment normally sends out a generic cop who reads the ticket, but who cannot answer questions about the actual violation in question.

When I showed up today, it turns out that the generic cop that they sent was the guy who actually wrote my ticket. This threw me off, as I had prepared a line of questions to direct towards someone else, with little emphasis on the specifics of the case. It didn't help that he was able to answer questions about his training on the RADAR unit (the records division at the police deparment told me that he held no certifications and that they had no records of his training--this is possibly incorrect, based on what he said today).

In addition, I think that I may have appeared to be too "smart" for the magistrate. I was the only person present at the courtroom who had photographs, maps, and other documentation (including the state RADAR training manual and various calibration certificates for the RADAR device, obtained through public records requests), as well as copies of the actual laws which I was accused of violating. This may have been seen as intimidating or otherwise offensive.

The errors on the ticket itself (and the general sloppiness which perpetuated them) were rejected out of hand early on, and I stupidly mentioned in an offhand way that the police department does not have a valid FCC license to operate the RADAR gun lawfully (they don't, according to their records division). After I pointed that out, the magistrate gave me a dirty look and I knew it was all over from that point.

After losing in this initial hearing, I paid my $20 to appeal, which will take place before a real judge next Tuesday. Hopefully I will do better with my questioning and the real judge will be more interested in the facts of the case.

Strangely, others with (what I thought were) pretty airtight cases for the police department (expired inspection stickers, running red lights, etc.) were found "not responsible" (in favor of the defendent). Weird.

Argh.

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Mike Spaeth
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It took you 9 months to get a traffic court date?

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Rachel Gilardi
That's cause we drive better.
In the '70s I had a girlfriend who was caught driving 90mph on the freeway WHILE READING A BOOK (she was studying for a college exam) and she didn't get a ticket. She was (and is) beautiful ... can't say I blamed the cop. [Smile]

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Scott Norwood
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Yes, it did take nine months to get a court date. The ticket was dated "6/17/80" and that apparently didn't help matters. I called the RMV last November and they sorted it out then, so I guess it normally should take 3-4 months to get a court date.

Don't even get me started on public records requests. The police department in question ignored my first two public records requests (for information on such matters as calibration of RADAR unit and tuning forks, officer training, FCC licenses, etc.) and only a complaint to the Secretary of the Commonwealth and several followup telephone calls elicited a response. By law, government agencies in Mass. are required to respond to public records requests within ten days; mine took about three and a half months. [Mad]

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Jim Ziegler
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Scott,

Was a transcript made of the original hearing? If so, have it with you, as you have tipped your hand now and the prosecutor will be prepared for your questions this time. With the transcript, you can cast doubt on any new answers..

I have pre-paid legal so I don't have to worry about this. If you get a ticket, their lawyers take care of it with no additinal legal fees.

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Tim Reed
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quote:
I was the only person present at the courtroom who had photographs, maps, and other documentation (including the state RADAR training manual and various calibration certificates for the RADAR device....the police department does not have a valid FCC license to operate the RADAR gun lawfully
ROFL!! [Big Grin] That's too good, Scott! Good man! Great. You tell 'im, pal!

I had an incident a couple weeks ago with a NY State cop. I stopped my rig on the shoulder just past a toll booth, to quick change my shoe. I'd had surgery on my foot a week earlier, and I needed to get into a sandal before the night wore on too long. Not much traffic, I was safely on the shoulder out of the toll booth. The shoulder is posted "Emergency Stopping Only"... I had my clearance lights on and 4-ways flashing. Well, this cop rolls up and shines a light in my cab. I'm sitting on the bunk, peeling away a Band-Aid. Then, he knocks. I step into my sandal, stand up, walk to the driver's seat and roll the window down.

I could immediately smell attitude. I don't say a word. I always let cops lead, to hear what their gripe is, what they expect, and to give them as little verbal ammunition as possible to use against me.

He's looking down the road, at the ground, puts his hands on his hips and says, "What's going on?" "Oh, not much", says I, in my usual friendly manner. I wait to hear what else he's got to say, and don't bite on the pregnant pause. Cop looks at the ground and then back down the road, oh...he was a cocky little [bs] . "How long you been here?" "About 2 minutes." Then, he lights up, "You've been here for at least 25 minutes! I saw you from the other side of the road more than 20 minutes ago!" A false accusation, okay... Then, voice rising to set him straight, "Sir, we have 6,000 trucks, and we run this corridor all the time. That was another US Xpress truck you saw! I just now stopped." I explained my surgery, and he retorted in that condescending way he'd obviously picked up from the COPS TV show, when they talk to someone who they think is lying.

After a few minutes of trying to corner me with something, his voice stressing greater with each exchange, he pointed back towards the tolls and snapped, "Do you have a receipt from that toll booth back there?" I shot back, "No, but I have EZ-PASS, and you can check it against the computer. I just rolled through, not 2 minutes ago. Check it."

Since I wasn't the ignorant truck driver he probably figured I was, I had him six ways to Sunday. He kept looking back down the road with these long pauses. I know he was trying to think of a smart ass remark, or a way to get out the situation without looking foolish, but while showing me he was still "in charge".

Cop: "This is for emergency stopping only."
Me: "It WAS an emergency."
Cop: (snidely) "Oh, it's an emergency, huh?"
(long pause, looks down road)
"Well, when are you leaving?"
Me: "Right now."
Cop: (fires back) "I don't see it movin'!"

I couldn't help but think, "Well, that's because you keep standing here engaging me." Of course, that was his way to convince his ego that he was in control. I almost told him to relax, he was still in charge. Or, mention that if he'd not stopped in the first place, I'd have been gone already! But, the night was young, and I wanted to get to Boston before sunrise.

I sit down in the seat, put my seatbelt on and start rolling the window up. He's flapping his arms, hollering, "If I come back here in a few minutes, and you're still here, I'm gonna start writing tickets."

I silently cast a glance his way and go about putting the truck in motion.

As I start to pull away, suddenly, the cop SCREAMS:
"I WANT THIS TRUCK OUTTA HERE NOWWW!!!" The man was out of control.

The more I think about it, the more I wish I'd gotten his number, or called 911 an had a supervisor meet us there. Guys like this are accidents waiting to happen. They let drunks, whores, and criminals talk like crap to them, and then take it out on innocent citizens. He had no reason to treat me the way he did. None. I wasn't breaking any law, and I was properly standing on the shoulder in an emergency attitude.

When he discovered he was mistaken, he should've just said, "Well, move it along," and I would've left there respecting him. The NY State Police lost my respect that night with that guy. I'm not going to use my truck to block traffic for them anymore, change lanes when they're on the shoulder, report drunks... nothing! Piss on 'em, if that's the way they treat the general public.

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