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Author Topic: I have a date tonight... Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-15-2003 05:09 AM                        hard to tell how much you're bullshitting, joe, but in case anyone takes it seriously, the street is indeed the place for bicycles, not the sidewalk! that's for pedestrians. if there's a bike path, great, that should be used. even better, a bike lane. but if not, bicycles go wherever the other wheeled vehicles go, unless specifically prohibited. the other side of that coin, of course, is that bicyclists should obey the traffic rules and use signals! from what i've seen, many drivers and cyclists have some work to do in this area. carl  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-15-2003 10:27 AM                        "Tonite" is already long ago. Barry must now be the one to give good advise, charing his experiences since "then" p.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 06-15-2003 02:32 PM                        Who is Barry?  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-15-2003 03:17 PM                     Even though this is OT from the thread, I have to back up Joe on the bike thing. Road bicyclists in Colorado can be an especially stupid breed. It might be one thing to drive on the street where the speed limits are slow. But I have seen dumbasses pedaling along on major traffic thoroughfares in Colorado Springs. There are at least a few bicyclists directly responsible for causing some fatal car accidents on US-24 outside of the 'Springs. You try to miss the biker; you have a head on with a semi. Road bikers need to find a park with a bike path and stay the hell off the highway.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 06-15-2003 03:56 PM                        I wasn't bullshitting. I got my first bike when I was 8 (a BMX which I still have today though I have completely rebuilt it). I lived on a street where the speed limit was 45mph. Yup, 4 lanes of 45mph traffic right at the edge of my driveway. What if I wanted to ride my bike up and down the block a few times? The street surely is no place for that, especially for a child of 8. I'm pretty certain that I wouldn't be here typing this today if I followed the "bikes belong in the street" rule. Side streets are OK because the sidewalks are pretty thin. But bigger streets? It is FAR easier for a bicyclist to avoid a pedestrian on a sidewalk than it is for a car to avoid a bicyclist. If the biker can't see and navigate around a pedestrian, then the biker is stupid. I hate almost pulling into the oncoming lane of traffic just to avoid a dumb ass biker. The only time I ever ran into a pedestrian was when I was 5 on a borrowed bike with training wheels. I was going up a hill and they were walking towards me. I assumed they'd move out of the way but they didn't so I crashed and fell off. Other than that I've had no problems avoiding people, and people have never yelled at me for being on a sidewalk or path.  |  IP: Logged Nate Lehrke Master Film Handler Posts: 396 From: Denver, CO Registered: Oct 2002 posted 06-16-2003 12:35 AM                     I used to always bike on the sidewalks in Denver until two things changed my mind. 1. Hit by old woman not paying attention. She just wasn't watching the sidewalk and I didn't see her. 2. Denver Police "pulled me over". The officer used his siren to get my attention, than a loud speaker to tell me “I have to use the street". Now, being that my bike is my only means of transportation, I have a lot of close calls with un-observant drivers. But if stay aware of traffic, use routes that have bike lanes or park trails, I feel safe and fine. I also remember when I did drive and came upon a biker, I would just think "Get a Car!" and get very upset that I had to maneuver around them. All in all, I think bikers should be able to make the decision on where they bike. If there are bike lanes and trails, GREAT! But if not, use common sense on determining safe bike streets. And if drivers would look at the sidewalk occasionally, accidents would decrease. Just my thoughts on this thread which has veered juristically like it so often does here at FT!  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-16-2003 02:54 AM                        i'm not a recreational biker; i bike to get around. don't have a car, can't drive one. i can't get where i need to go just biking in parks. maybe the sidewalks of denver are so empty of people that it's not a problem, but around here they are not. cars and bikes move at such a speed that they need to signal their intentions (turns, stops) and respond to the signals of others to avoid accidents. the street is where this conventionally happens. pedestrians are not obligated to signal, nor do they walk in straight lines. if a pedestrian "swerves" into the path of a cyclist on the sidewalk and is hit, the cyclist is at fault. i can't generalize, but in places i've lived it is illegal to bike on the sidewalk. in cambridge, ma, i pulled onto the sidewalk to park my bike, realized i did so a block early, and continued biking one more block on the wide sidewalk, steering way clear of foot traffic. i got a $20 ticket, my one traffic offense. i think there's maybe a perception here that cyclists are hobbyists or fitness freaks or something. some are, but many are just trying to get from a to b, which is what the streets are for. carl  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-16-2003 03:48 AM                        quote: Who is Barry? Minor misspelling (a and y was correct, yes ?), so sorry - no offense meant -------------------- THEIR is when something belongs to manny quote of Mr Barry Schaefer  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 06-16-2003 05:49 AM                        My name is Schaffer, not Schaefer. When I drive north to Los Angeles or Riverside County and see all the pollution lying like a blanket over the land, I think, maybe a few more people should ride a bike if they don`t have to cover really big distances...  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-16-2003 09:55 AM                        One of the great questions of this world is: Who is Barry Schaefer, then. Lieutenant Schaefer (Eastwood lookalike)'s first name was for sure not Barry, but i would still like to promote Mr Hrundi W Bakshi for president !  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-16-2003 11:55 AM                     Per It's Lt. Morris Schaffer who was on the mission with Major Jonathan Smith. * You got my vote for Hrundi V. Bakshi for President * "Where Eagles Dare"  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 06-16-2003 12:47 PM                  Bill: Mr. Bakshi would have to do something since he was thrown outta Hollywood and will NEVER work in pictures again...including television! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Jeff Taylor Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 601 From: Chatham, NJ/East Hampton, NY Registered: Apr 2000 posted 06-16-2003 12:52 PM                     Movies, bike riding, being yourself...all that's fine, but what happened to some drinks, dinner, and maybe a club for dancing, huh?  |  IP: Logged Sam Hunter Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 779 From: West Monroe, LA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-16-2003 01:49 PM                     I know this subject is veering off center but what exactly happened with bakshi? Oh, and Manny, How did the date go? Did you score  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-16-2003 05:26 PM                     To paraphrase David Lee Roth, you will NOT be getting any leg tonite for sure if you pick up a date on a bicycle. And if you show up on a Segway she'll think you're a virgin.  |  IP: Logged

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