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Bruce Hansen
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From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 12-31-2003 12:09 PM

Don't the cops have radios? They should not even have to chase the brats. let the radios do the work.
There have been several times in the area where I live, where an inocent person was killed in the process. This is just not worth the chase. Yes, the crooks must be made to pay for their crimes, but no one else should. I'm with John, the crooks should PAY for what they did. I'm tired of my tax dollars being used to keep them in jail.

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Paul Linfesty
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posted 12-31-2003 12:59 PM

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The real tragedy is that the parents have taught their children that the white cops are wrong and their little "apple dumplings" are "righteous and just" in their defiance of the laws and the law enforcement officers. Had those children been taught to be responsible for their actions and respect for the law they would still be alive.

What an unbelievable stretch! You are basically accusing these parents of racism (do we KNOW any facts of this parentage?) Kids of all races screw up and have scrapes with the law regardless of how they are raised. Including, believe it or not, white kids who were taken to church on Sundays and come from homes where parents care for them.

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Its time to be color blind on both sides.

Agreed. But why bring up the first point? As Bruce brought up, there has been scant information in the news about any kind of race card being played in this incidence. All too often people bring their prejudices and stereotypes into play when watching news events and this oftentimes triggers an interpretation of events that really wasn't there in the news story.

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Aaron Sisemore
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posted 12-31-2003 01:26 PM

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Look at all the car chase movies out there these days. People seem to think that they are invincible
behind the wheel!

And if same people watched all those 'police chase' TV shows and videos (and live TV is some areas), they would learn that you NEVER get away from the cops once they are on to you, (unless you lead them to a place that has no-cops-can-pursue-laws on the books (are you listening, Temecula, CA?!?), then you are almost certain to get away scot-free) [Roll Eyes]

-Aaron

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Greg Mueller
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posted 12-31-2003 01:37 PM

"...What an unbelievable stretch! You are basically accusing these parents of racism (do we KNOW any facts of this parentage?)...."

Percentages? No. A stretch? Not at all

I do watch TV and I do watch the local news. And this is what I see. And you're right when you say it happens to people of all colors. And you are also right when you say the parents are being racist. What else can it be when a parent of one race accuses the police of another race from acting because of race and not because of several broken laws? How can it be anything but racist when the black community in Seattle accuse the prosecuting attorney of racism when he prosecutes a murderer who happens to be black not because he is a murderer (they had it on tape) but because he is black. The race card IS being played to an absurd level. I can't believe anyone can listen to the blather of the Jackson/Sharpton types with hearing racism.
I also agree that race should not have been brought up in the news story. It should be a story about a murderer or a car thief(s) etc. Unfortunately in these cut and dry cases there are attempts to distract attention away from the real issues by putting a racial spin on the story as a defense tactic.
Now I don't know if the pusuing cop could tell what color the offenders were when he gave chase, but I bet he wasn't looking for a car of black kids to chase around. I bet he was looking for a stolen car, saw it, gave chase and the rest is history.
I'm personally getting real tired of people making excuses for their actions based on WHATEVER minority they happen to be. All they are is excuses for poor behavior.

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Gary Crawford
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posted 12-31-2003 02:04 PM

My gripe is that no one accepts personal responsibility for his or her actions. If I screw up royally I have no one else to blame and I have to accept what I've done. My fault, no one else's, and I cannot even consider my stupidity is because I am a "victim" of whatever I can blame it on.

I guess I was raised in a different era.

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Chris Hipp
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posted 12-31-2003 05:12 PM

I had to go outside to see if it was snowing...I actually AGREE with something Dave had to say!

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These people got thier justice meted out in a very quick way. I hope things like this send messages to others that this behaviour means bad things to you.

Everyone needs to pay for their actions, especially cocky teenagers, these kids pay for their mistakes with their lives.

However I disagree with John P's statement

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IMHO, non-violent (property) crimes should be punished by complete restitution and fines, not prison. In the case of minors, the parents should also be held responsible, including full restitution.

No Way! I would love to see anyone who has ever broken into a car get a .30 cal round in the head. I would gladly do it myself.

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Jason Black
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posted 12-31-2003 05:55 PM

I wondered if anyone would touch on this here...

While I don't think the kids 'got what they deserved', as death is a very sttep price to pay for stealing a car for joyriding, it is, after all, a very real and possible scenario, as is evidenced in this case. Several have said it already.. the fact that the kid(s) STOLE THE CAR has been brushed to the side. The fact that they died while being chased by a police officer is what the media spin turns out to be. How about this officer? How do you think he feels now that he had to be on the scene of an accident that HE was involved in only to find out that there were mulitple KIDS in the car DEAD. This is a very tragic ending to a common problem. Cars are stolen all the time. I believe that chases have their place and time, high speed or not. I'm not so sure that this was one of those, but I'm also just like everyone else whom has posted.. I don't know all the facts of what happened (road conditions, surroundings, etc) which play a VITAL part of chase practicalities.

I understand the adrenaline that the driver of the car had. I've run from the police (on a motorcycle) before. Very wrong indeed, but I understand how it could happen the way it did. I think that this is indeed a clear messgae that the parents of ALL these kids need to be questioned. Obviously, like the folks that drop their kids of at the theatre, these parents did a less than desirable job at parenting. Kids will be kids, but parents NEED to be parents in order to help prevent shit like this from happening. I'm sick to death of the public pointing fingers at everyone EXCEPT the ones who shoudl be held accountable for their actions. If I F&@* up, I take the punishment. No one else shodul be any different.

I sincerely hope that nothing happens to this officer due to this. [Frown]

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William Leland III
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posted 12-31-2003 06:26 PM

things like happen all the time, we just never heard about them. its a tradegy for all those lives now changed.

Jason said :

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I've run from the police (on a motorcycle) before

Jason was it during Bike Week..... [Big Grin]

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Tim Reed
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posted 12-31-2003 10:43 PM

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If people cannot be rehabilitated, what is the purpose of prison or the judicial system?

How can anyone be rehabilitated, when they're not habilitated to begin with?

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Jason Black
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posted 01-01-2004 09:29 AM

Will,

Actually, no. I thought about running once during bike week.... after I rode up on a SCSHP sitting in the middle of the road observing. He saw me come up behind him front wheel airborne and sitting on the tank.. I looked at him to my side while still atop my gas tank (front wheel skyward). After I set it down, I thought for a split second about running, because I knew he woudln't know all the side streets, etc.. but I knew it wasn't worth it when I thought about my other time running...

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Paul Cassidy
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posted 01-01-2004 11:54 PM

Another one bites the Dust !!!! News Article follows ===

Road Death Follows Police Pursuit Road Death Follows Police Pursuit
02/01/2004 09:11 AM
NewstalkZB

A man is dead after a police chase in Waihi on the Coromandel Peninsula.

He was in a car that failed to pull over during what police describe as a routine traffic stop at 1:30 Friday morning.

Senior Sergeant John Kelly says a patrol car went to pull over two vehicles seen travelling the wrong way down a one-way street.

One stopped but the second accelerated away from the scene.

Senior Sergeant Kelly says the officer barely had time to pursue the Nissan Bluebird before it crashed after failing to take a corner less then a kilometre away.

A fence post smashed through its windscreen, killing the front seat passenger.

The 17-year-old driver ran off but has since been located by police.

On Thursday a Waipukurau teenager was killed after he fell from the bonnet of a car he was riding on at Aramoana Beach in Hawke's Bay.

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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posted 01-02-2004 01:20 AM

One thing that caught my attention - seven kids in the stolen car?
What did they steal - a minvan? [Roll Eyes]

Reading about the crash makes me think that karma was being a bit vindictive that day.

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Thomas Procyk
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posted 01-02-2004 09:56 AM

Maybe they learned all that stuff from the game Grand Theft Auto? But wait -- that's rated M for 17+ so they shouldn't have been playing it anyway. No sympathy there.

I do feel sympathy that these kids may not have had the best of parents to teach them responsibility or right from wrong. Hell, maybe the parents themselves were thieves at one point, but you can't make that assumption or judgement without knowing for sure.

What if the person they stole the car from could indeed afford to have a rental for a few days to get to his job. Surely they had some sort of insurance coverage. Yeah, I know, they still stole his property but property can be recovered or replaced, lives cannot. And maybe ALL of the people in the car weren't involved. Who knows if the rest of the kids were trying to get the driver to stop, who refused. No one will know. Still, they ALL agreed to get into a stolen car!! One wonders what led to this decision.

One thing is straight, though. They all made bad choices which led to bad actions which led to a very important life lesson: "That's what you get." If there's one thing that ISN'T racist, it's stupidity. It affords itself to people of all colors and ethnicity. But it's still tragic. There's seven dead kids and someone's got to sort out their life without their car who's probably having shit for luck as it is since the car apparently had a flat tire shortly before this.

=TMP=

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R. Andrew Diercks
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posted 01-02-2004 12:30 PM

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The occupants were black males and females.
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Is this really relevant to the incident?
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well, I certainly would hope no one would exploit this racially.

First of all, if the occupantnts were white, it would have been on North Carolina news, not the Today show. Exploiting YES. It has become very relevant to the issue, because the media makes it that way, it is pointed out everywhere. The fact that people single themselves out as a particular type of American perpetuates this.

As for the kids, screw them, they were turds that had no respect for their own safety, the publics, or the police. What if a cop had died in this chase, would any of us be talking about it? We wouldn't even know about it. The police did not create this danger!

Also, only about 6% of teenage offenders become adult offenders. Or so I was taught in college (Juvenile delinquency) This does not mean that we need to blow sunshine up kids asses until they are adults. Consequences are consequences.

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Chris Hipp
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posted 01-02-2004 09:52 PM

Thomas brought up a good point:

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here's seven dead kids and someone's got to sort out their life without their car who's probably having shit for luck as it is since the car apparently had a flat tire shortly before this.

What about this poor guy that might be making minimum wage and couldnt afford full coverage that either has to take the bus everywhere or spend his or her saving on a car just because some cocksucker decided to steal his car.

I stand behind my previous statement, They got what they deserved and if it would have been my car I would have loved to kill them myself.

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