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Author Topic: Corrupt culture in organized sports Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-10-2004 03:00 PM                        quote: Dino wrote: In a way [fighting in hockey] is [part of the game] How is this so? Why do hockey players always fight and not football players? Are hockey players just retarded? Explain. Now. quote: Dino also wrote: They drop a few bombs for a minute and its over. No harm done, nobody hurt. So nobody gets hurt from punching each other for a minute? Those must be some really weak-ass individuals throwing the punches! Thanks for letting me know that hockey players are such pansie-assed pussies! Otherwise you'd think they'd hurt each other. Fighting in hockey is retarded.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-10-2004 03:03 PM                        So is boxing and wrestling. If two guys agree to beat the shit out of each other so be it. Besides, most hockey fights are more of a dance than a fight that pales in comparison to a fight between a couple of grade schoolers. Just in: Mel Gibson has bought the rights for the movie, The Passion of the Canuck: The Last 12 Hours of Todd Bertuzzi.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-10-2004 03:55 PM                        That's just retarded. Bertuzzi is far from a savior. What he was doing was inflicting revenge, probably instructed by his coach. A few weeks back, Steve Moore made a legal hit on a Vancouver player that the Vacouver coach went nuts about. No broken necks were involved. Instead of taking it like a man, they tried to get Steve Moore back. Pansie asses. I say we ban Canada from hockey.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-10-2004 04:15 PM                        Hey, I heard it on American radio station. In no way is he a savour. He's a total idiot and always has been. He is going to be, rightly so, crucified by the NHL... in Toronto by the way. Besides, I don't think banning more than half the players from the league would work to well.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-10-2004 04:39 PM                        OK let's just ban Canadian players then! There will probably only be 10 guys left in all of hockey!  |  IP: Logged Gunnar Johansson Expert Film Handler Posts: 181 From: Gothenburg, Sweden Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-10-2004 04:53 PM                        And they´ll all be from Sweden...  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-10-2004 06:00 PM                     Sweden? That would be alright. Peter Forsberg rules! Go Avalanche! quote: Besides, most hockey fights are more of a dance than a fight that pales in comparison to a fight between a couple of grade schoolers More of a dance than a fight? How do you explain all those hockey players missing all those front teeth? Gingivitis and periodontal disease? Nah. Fists are doing that. Gum disease is what affects the front row of most Willie Nelson concerts. quote: If two guys agree to beat the shit out of each other so be it. I agree with that only when the two guys involved settle the issue among themselves in private, and agree to settle the issue on the result of the fight. (Good luck on that happening. First, both guys would have to be honorable. But honorable people don't often get into fist fights. And then the loser would have to not feel humiliated or need to grab a gun and shoot the victor.) Fights are an entirely different thing when an audience is involved. It doesn't matter if it is an audience at Caesar's Palace watching the Heavyweight Boxing Championship of the world or an audience of 8th graders in the school lunch room cheering "kick his ass" as some jock uses a food tray to smash the face of a science class geek. It is all a kind of pornography to satisfy our perverted, cruel bloodlust. Many people see a guy on TV get punched in the face and they laugh over it. Bonk. Haw haw. Rightfully, they should be ashamed of it. The crap accumulates and it affects how people treat each other. Most of us won't go so far as so slap someone across the mouth at impulse, but we're not nearly so courteous either.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-10-2004 06:10 PM                        Dental injuries caused by getting hit in the head by a puck far out number the number of injuries caused by fights. If the player doesn't want to fight they can either not get in the fight or hit the ice when the figure out they shouldn't have got in the fight.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-10-2004 07:07 PM                        Still you all have ignored my question: Why does hockey lend itself to fighting so much over other professional sports (not counting boxing and crap like that)? What about hockey makes the players so damn pissed at each other? Football is a far more aggressive sport, but you rarely see the players fighting. But in hockey, it happens every single game, with a few exceptions.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-10-2004 07:38 PM                        I wouldn't consider football any more agressive than any other team sport. If you don't like it, don't play it (or watch it).  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-10-2004 08:17 PM                        I see you have no answer (or can't come up with one). Truth is hockey players fight more. I want to know why. It has nothing to do with my like/dislike of the sport or any other sport. I never said I did not like hockey.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-10-2004 09:03 PM                        I don't see why I need to answer your question, that you asked of Dino, and defend something I never said. That's about the last thing I want to do today.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-10-2004 09:15 PM                        Actually I'd like an answer from anyone who has an answer. Though I'm not sure anyone can really explain it.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-10-2004 11:31 PM                  Joe, to answer your question: Hockey players are stupid with an average IQ of 40. They all think the way to solve things is by kicking someone's ass. Sorta like Daryl's always threatening to kick my ass. HA! I don't take it seriously though; I mean he lives WAY up there in some foreign country. HA! Like I'm shivering in my boots! Oh, PULEEZE! He’s a pussycat! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Robb Johnston Expert Film Handler Posts: 147 From: St. Louis Suburbs Registered: Nov 1999 posted 03-11-2004 05:38 PM                        For better or worse fighting has been a part of hockey forever. It made more sense back in the Broad Street Bullies days (Go Flyers!!) when no one but the goalie wore a helmet and fights meant something. Hockey is a fast paced sport with few stoppages. In Football fights happen but between plays. In hockey, it can start anytime, partly out of necessity. In In football, there are tons of officials to help police things, in Hockey there are 2 who can call penalties, and only a few years ago there was jsut one. Hockey players had to police each other. If you got a dirty hit in, or you have been slashing/hooking me all game and the ref missed it, I will knock you down. Hockey has added rules to try to curtail the fighting, and the result is players, esp. stars try to avoid the instigation extra penalties, etc. So a player tries to avoid the penalties, and a lesser human feels the need to cheap shot him. If hockey fights were more permitted, I think whack jobs like burtuzzi and mcsorely might not have felt the need to take it into their own hands. Look at the Flyers/Senators game last week. Similar situation, last month a Senator took advantage of a situation when the Flyer's enforcers were not playing and took a cheap shot at Flyer Mark Recchi. As far as I know it was legal, but it wasn't well recieved by the Philly team. So with 1:45 left on the clock, there were 5 consecutive fights, Everyone got involved, and almost everyone got ejected, but they were all face to facemutually agreed on fights. When the fights were over, there was 1:15 on the game clock, and only 5 players total on the bench between the two teams. 419 total penalty minutes imposed in the game, and it got little to no press. What Bertuzzi did was not a fight. He tried to start one by slapping his prey with his stick a few times. when that didn't happen, he crossed all the lines by grabbing his jersey, pulling his prey closer to him as he pounded him in the temple. This was not a fight, it was not a check, it was a mugging. What he did was not tolerated by the NHL either. He is suspended for the rest of the year and playoffs. I agreed with that, but my thoughts are that his suspension should be until his victim is able to take the ice again. If his carreer is over, then Bertuzzi should have his entire imposed retirement to ponder his actions. Rant mode off  |  IP: Logged

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