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Topic: Corrupt culture in organized sports
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Dino Panagiotopoulos
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From: Windor, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 03-12-2004 12:24 AM
Robb said it pretty well altogether.
Just adding a little more to it:
In the old days if two guys had a disagreement or some guy would take a cheap shot then two guys would drop the gloves and settle it that way. And yes nobody would really get hurt except for a few cuts and a bruised ego. Now though, you cant do that because of the instigator rule. Now somebody takes a cheap shot, you have to wait until later in the game or next game (while your anger fuels up even more) and in most cases, the retaliation is senseless and in yesterdays case, almost life threatening. By removing the instigator rule, you allow them to "settle" their difference at that moment and then its pretty much forgotten after that. I think having two guys square off, you see very few injuries from that, but you take a stick across a guy's head, you might see someone seriously injured from that. So it's the lesser of two evils.
I also agree with Robb's statement about Bertuzzi's consequence being he should be out for as long as his victim is out and if he can never play again, then so be it.
Bottom line.......fighting has become part of the game of hockey just as a basketball player gets charged with some rape crime every week is to that sport...........or steroid charges on some baseball player. The point is as much as you see fighting in the game, you rarely see one of these guys in court every week as you do with other major sports. Thats one thing Im proud to say is not a part of the Canadian game.
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Dave Williams
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-12-2004 09:10 AM
In 1991 I refereed a Basketball game that was the state championship intracollegate intramural game. It was big stakes as all 9 state colleges were in the competition.
With 56 seconds to play, and Southern Utah State leading the University of Utah by six points, the most unbelievable event happened. I was under the basket watching the lines during a free throw. The referee under the basket in a three ref system watches the lines and the lines only for lane violations before the ball is release.
What I saw was a body fly by my face before the ball was released from the shooters hands. Someone hit another player and then all hell broke loose. Both benches cleared and the spectators even came out to help beat the crap out of each other.
This fight lasted for nearly four minutes before order was restored.
To put the game into perspective, I took charge of this game early on and let them get away with absolutely nothing. We called the game tight and to the end. We let thier skills as atheletes rule the game, not who could muscle or hit thier way to a victory.
I got on the PA system and announced that the game was a dual forfiet. That was actually what stopped the fight, but started the yelling at me. It took three hours to sort through the various who hit whos, but in the end, i stood firm on my call and let it stand as a dual forfiet, since not ONE person was not in the fight from either team.
Instead, the losers in the semifinal rounds were called back to play the championship game.
The university in a show of solidarity invited me to be the head referee for that game as well.
The paramedics however did not see that I could continue. I was hit many times and needed medical attention that they could not provide. Most of the damage was to my face, most of which the university paid to get fixed.
The moral here is that these young bucks did not like bieng told that they were not allowed to beat the other team into submission so they instead beat them anyway.
Team sport violence is never necessary, but is usually taught from father to son, not from coach to player. Players that learn good sportsmanship from thier fathers and then get coaches that tell them to be rough usually will not do so, but will let thier talents do the work.
There are many pro atheletes with absolutely no talent whatsoever, but plenty of brut force and unsportsmanlike conduct that passes for talent.
Any damn fool can go out there and beat someone to death, it takes a smart man or woman to actually spend years practicing an artform and putting it to work.
Ciao
Dave
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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-16-2004 10:50 PM
BUMP.
Hehe, okay. Now this is just getting a little out of hand:
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (Ticker) -- St. Louis Blues center Mike Danton was arrested Friday morning and charged with participating in an alleged murder-for-hire plot.
In a statement, the FBI said Danton was apprehended in San Jose, where the Blues were eliminated Thursday night from the Western Conference quarterfinals by the Sharks.
Danton's arrest came one day after an alleged accomplice, 19-year-old Katie Wolfmeyer of Florissant, Missouri, was taken into custody in Brentwood, Missouri.
According to U.S. Attorney Ronald J. Tenpas of the Central District of Illinois, Danton and Wolfmeyer conspired to hire someone to kill an acquaintance with whom Danton quarreled Tuesday night.
The criminal complaint said the argument involved "promiscuity and use of alcohol" by Danton, who "begged the acquaintance not to go to [Blues general manager Larry Pleau] ... and ruin his career."
Wolfmeyer allegedly assisted Danton in finding a prospective killer. That unidentified person cooperated with the FBI, whose agents taped incriminating telephone calls, authorities said. No one was injured.
Each count carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment and a fine up to $250,000.
Danton, 23, had seven goals, five assists and a team-leading 141 penalty minutes in 68 games in his first full NHL season.
A native of Brampton, Ontario, Danton was suspended during the 2001-02 season by New Jersey Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello for failing to report to the minor leagues. Danton sat out most of the previous season following a disagreement over a medical diagnosis.
A 2000 fifth-round draft pick, Danton legally changed his name from Mike Jefferson.
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