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Author Topic: How do you like your Music served? Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-06-2004 09:34 PM                        Mike, it's just you. Quit using Safari. As for me, I am not seeing any garbage text, but I am getting bumped back to the thread each time I try to reply. I had to quickly press the STOP button in order to stay on the page where I am currently typing this in.  |  IP: Logged Evans A Criswell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1579 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-06-2004 09:47 PM                        I like CDs, and have a lot of them. All of my MP3s are done from my CDs at 256 Kbps. Since my MP3s are made primarily for playing on computer speakers at home or work, they're fine for that purpose. They're also made as insurance, so if something happens to my CD collection, I have the MP3s of a lot of the hits in the collection as a backup. I used 256 Kbps rate on the MP3s since I reextracted some of the files and burned them to an audio CD and compared them with the original CDs, and I can't tell the difference, even on my high-end system, or at least on the kind of music I listen to, I couldn't tell the difference. The only way I buy music is on CD, since that's most convenient for playing on my home stereo system, my primary listening place.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-06-2004 10:14 PM                        I agree with the "live" answer. For recorded music, I can play the following formats at home: - vinyl - CD - cassette (yuck) - reel to reel (1/4" half-track and quarter track, 7.5 or 15ips) - cart (mono only) - mp3, wav, au,ogg, etc. - 16mm optical track - radio (AM and FM) I'll listen to it if it sounds good. That usually excludes anything that uses lossy compression, though higher bit-rate mp3s are borderline ok for background music and such. Minidisc isn't bad, but I don't quite see the point in this age of affordable CD burners. It made sense at one time as a cart-machine replacment for radio and live theatre (stage) use, but that role is pretty limited now that computer-based systems are taking on that function. I believe that some radio stations are actually using mp2-compressed files (yes, mp2, not mp3), as some older computer-based automation systems depend on those (and I'm sure that Josh or someone else will correct me if that's wrong).  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-06-2004 10:18 PM                        I'll second the mp2s... seen those in use too.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-06-2004 10:25 PM                        MP2's rock. Scott, you can't listen to AIFF at home? How about AAC? No? IMA 4:1? No? AC3? No? MPC? No? Damn. I'm glad I can. Otherwise I really don't see the point in existing!  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-06-2004 10:42 PM                        If I cared about any of those formats, I probably could. When I get a machine to play wax cylinders and a 70mm CDS system like Brad's, my life will be complete.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-06-2004 11:59 PM                        I like CDs too. Like Claude, I have a ton of LPs (probably at least 1000) but don't play them. I probably have about 500 CDs, all legally purchased. I have in my life downloaded (legally or otherwise) exactly one song: "White Dawn," by Alan Parsons, which is not available legitimately anywhere as far as I can tell. It's a live recording from the early '90s that was only released for a limited time in Germany or somewhere. One of my favorite pastimes is making "compilations" on CD. I don't listen to 'studio' disks much anymore. My "regulation" CDs sit safely at home while my comps ride in my vehicle with me and can be easily replaced if they get scratched. Have never looked into the legal downloading services but if I ever get my internet connection upgraded, I probably will use them to get the occasional "single," since most of the new artists today can't seem to put a full album of decent material together. But since I am in the music business (at my day job), I will never download trax illegally. I feel guilty enough about the Alan Parsons tune mentioned above.  |  IP: Logged Erick Akers Arse Kicker Posts: 201 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: May 2001 posted 03-07-2004 03:47 AM                     Am I the only one here with a DTS system in my Car? I have been an avid collector of Quadraphonic material, and for the last couple of years, I have been rolling my own DTS versions of my favorites. After all, where else are you going to find an origional Quadraphonic version of Pop Corn by HOTT BUTTERED!!! So Far, DTS and SONY have only scratched the surface of the extensive library of quad material out there, so I had no other choice but to roll my own!!! You should see the reactions I get when I put a DTS CD in for unsuspecting passengers. They really made some fun quad mixes back in the early days. Personal favorites: Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, The Eagles, Kraftwerk, Guess Who, Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Edger Winter Group, The Doors, Creedence Clearwater Revival and too many more to list. She's come Un Done by The Guess Who is the one song that always gives the ladies goose pimples. The mix is so erie it even gives me chills!!! War Pigs and Money are always a hit with the Guys. DTS & QUADROPHONIC SOUND TRULY KICKS MAJOR ARSE!!!  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-07-2004 08:53 AM                     DTS in the car !? That must be a HUUUUUUGE dashboard. What the heck are you driving?  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-07-2004 08:58 AM                        Humvee, perhaps? (Hopefully the "real" one, not the H2 disaster that is currently popular.)  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 03-07-2004 11:31 AM                        Nobody's mentioned Edison cylinders, so I guess I'll have to go with that!! Daryl's display on peak limiting explains a lot of what FM has become. In the '60s, the FCC went on record as intending that FM should be as sonically transparent to the source material as possible. Of course, everything recorded back then was limited to the dynamic range of vinyl or analog tape, so that wasn't saying much, but it was expected to be less compressed than an AM station. The audio processors back then were mostly single band jobs that weren't anywhere near as sophisticated as the processing stuff that's on the market today. The REAL purists were generally the public stations. I saw quite a few college outlets that had NO audio processing at all. One had a Dolby system and broadcast alignment tones to the public once a week. As FM became more common in cars however, I think the need to overcome ambient sound levels, and the competitive pressures to be the loudest on the dial largely drove the move to reduce dynamic range on FM to the maximum extent technically possible. Even with the budgets available in a market as large as Seattle, some of those stations are pretty hard to listen to for very long. Now, with the new digital stuff, I imagine the audio display of anything but an NPR station is pretty much a flat bar of digitally chopped and recreated peaks. The point that David brings up (FM stations sounding like an MP3 player) isn't too far off. The syndicated stations are broadcasting off of audio streams that are compressed to some extent and digitally multiplexed to allow lots of channels on the carrier (kind of like comparing Dish Network to C-band satellites). Compounding this, the internet is allowing for a convenient way to transport commercial content to stations, and some of this is pretty low-level MP3 stuff that's realy noticeable on FM. Finally, the studio-to-tranmsmitter radio links that some stations use are not all "uncompressed", and introduce their own artifacts to the audio stream.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-07-2004 02:34 PM                     Manny, I believe there are standard-size in-dash car/SUV DVD systems that will decode DTS encoded DVD's. Just transfer the 70's analog quadrophonic tracks to the L/R/LS/RS of the DTS audio on a DVD, burn it, and voila! Discrete quad in the car! -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-07-2004 03:20 PM                     Panasonic, Kef Kar and a few others offer car stereo systems featuring DTS decoding. Some of those products have been around for several years. Frankly, I'm surprised there hasn't been more development in the way of portable surround sound. Many portable boom boxes have detachable speakers. Cars have a natural surround sound environment already built in, with a growing number of them incorporating DVD players and such. With it being 2004 now, I would have figured DD, DTS, DVD-A and SACD products would have been getting into many more portable areas by this point. It is really disappointing with how slow the movement has been.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-07-2004 04:15 PM                        Aaron- What software encodes in DTS? I don't know of ANY on the consumer level. You could always encode into Dolby Digital, though.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-07-2004 04:29 PM                     Minnetonka Audio sells SurCode software DTS encoders, along with encoders for Dolby Digital and MLP: http://www.surcode.com Their DTS music CD encoder costs $499. It encodes 5.1 audio into the 1234.8kb/s DTS format that looks like normal PCM audio but is really DTS 5.1. The DTS DVD encoder costs $1995. I think one of their biggest selling products is the $299 Dolby Digital 5.1 encoder for Adobe Premiere Pro.  |  IP: Logged

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