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Alexander Smith
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From: Walney Island, Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria.
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 - posted 11-03-2005 04:12 AM      Profile for Alexander Smith   Email Alexander Smith   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
While at work I like my music played with "old skool" Winamp, from my MP3 folder of 3396 files (15.3Gb). It's convenient for me to take my laptop to work with me most days, and I have a little sat/sub 2 channel amplified speaker set on the make-up bench.

All those MP3s have been ripped from legitimate CDs, because I also think the "legal download" thing is unsustainable. Yes, I agree that itunes has made digital music acessible, but I don't consider it to be "ownership" in the sense of having a CD with the cover art e.t.c.

FWIW the managers here don't seem to mind me listening to music while I work, they seem to be happy enough as long as they can reach me on the internal phone.

Coming back to MP3, most of my music is encoded at 192kbit/sec. I'm okay with the concept of compromise, because if I want that "extra little bit" I can go to the CD at home on the shelf.

I tend to alternate between listening to whole albums, or listening to playlists I've already created (and sometimes change around to keep it interesting). I like to use a cross-fading plugin within WinAMP because those little silent gaps between tracks are annoying. ;-)

Alex.

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Paul Gordon
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Still mainly listening to Vinyl... sometimes a CD from a collection that that stopped expanding in the late 90's. I think I've bought maybe a hand full of Cd's in the last 7 years.

Though DTS is nice in the theatre!

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Monte L Fullmer
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Paul, with you listening to vinyl, do you have a VPI cleaning machine?

I'm a vinyl, plus an open reeler listener myself.

(...and have a buttload of CD's filled with MP3 files...lol)

..even Winamp has a skin like an open reel machine that I use..

-Monte

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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I have a 60 Gb Photo and a new 4 Gb Nano ipod and so far have managed to download about 19Gb of music on the larger ipod and 3 Gb on the Nano. I used to listen to many of my classical music cd's on either a portable compact disc or a minidisc player but I was not satisfied with the low volume from the minidisc and the sound from the cd player was ok at best. I also have mini DAT player but stopped using it a long time ago because the device was too balky to carry around. I have found the playback sound quality from the ipods with a Shure E4c headset an awesome way to listen to music on the go.

-Claude

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Paul Trimboli
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Does anyone know the answers to my questions I posted on the bottom of page 3? Encase they were missed here they are again:

Is SACD and DVD-A worth investing in? Or is it a format that is not going anywhere?

Can I run SACD/DVD-A in stereo mode and still play back the high quality recording?

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Bobby Henderson
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SACD and DVD-A are pretty much stuck in the category of niche formats. You have to really want music from a particular act in that format to justify buying into it at this time.

There is a decent amount of jazz, classical music and classic rock titles on either format. But not much in the way of new, popular music releases.

Most record labels and their performers still record albums just for 2.0 LPCM release. It is very rare you'll find any new album from a popular act being released day and date on both standard CD and DVD-A or SACD.

The new DualDisc format was supposed to help cure some of this nonsense but day and date CD and DualDisc releases are also very rare. DualDiscs can store a standard music CD layer on one side and then DVD-A/V or SACD content on the flipside. So far, very few DualDisc releases have featured DVD-A or SACD content on a second DVD data layer. Nine Inch Nails "With Teeth" is the only disc I have boasting such a thing. To make matters worse, a lot of DualDisc releases just make a DVD version of the 2.0 stereo album on the flipside of the disc. The packaging is often misleading -mainly on the point of whether the DVD version of the album is in DD 5.1 and/or DVD-A 5.1.

The hardware situation also makes things a bit difficult, but the situation is getting better.

You could buy a new DVD player featuring DVD-A and SACD compatibility. But you have to be careful to get a player that can send the DVD-A and SACD content digitally. That will require the DVD player to have either a Firewire 1394 output or a HDMI output.

Likewise, for full digital passthrough of the audio stream, you'll need a receiver or surround controller that can handle the digital bitstream. Some newer receivers do feature Firewire and HDMI signal inputs. Some even feature USB connections as well. The downside is most have way too few of these things when they should have a shitload of HDMI inputs and outputs.

Most older DVD-A and SACD players will send the high res music signals in analog form out of 5.1 analog outputs. That method sucks. You lose a generation of audio quality from the extra digital to analog conversion in the player along with the analog to digital conversion likely to happen in the receiver. DVD players usually have medium to lower quality digital to analog converters, so that kills some of the audio quality right there. It's best to keep the signal in digital form as far through your home theater system as possible.

In the end, most popular music acts are only doing 5.1 material on DVD Video. It's either in the form of music videos or concert videos (or a very narcasistc documentary where they go on about themselves for an hour or so).

Frankly, I don't think I'm missing very much. The majority of music released today is this corporate processed derivate crap. To a large degree, they're still spitting out 1990 style music but forecasting quarterly reports that expect us to buy more of this "I've heard this crap before" garbage.

I was spending a lot of that music CD money on DVD movies. But lately Hollywood has been getting bit just as badly by that repackage and resell the same shit bug too.

It's no wonder why video game sales are such a growth industry.

quote: Paul Trimboli was the last to post
Can I run SACD/DVD-A in stereo mode and still play back the high quality recording?
That's going to depend on what your receiver can do with 5.1 analog input signals -or what a newer one can do with music coming in from a Firewire or HDMI input.

Don't expect much capability from the players themselves. Many don't even feature bass management for DVD-A and SACD (the industry figures if you're going to use either you'll probably have a $15,000 set of full range speakers).

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Amanda Jones
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I'm not in to all the high tech stuff.

I still like my music via CD, though I'm thinking of getting a sirius radio for my car. I have sirius on my satalite tv and am always listening to it in the house.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Problem with, at least with XMRadio, is the frikken "commerical" announcements about every 10 minutes, and then you can hear the same song about three times a week. So you know that they are "looping" their programs one or three times a week.

Don't know about Sirius, but I can see them doing this same programming format.

Not impressed with the satellite radio stations at all.

True, SACD's can sound excellent with the right players and hardware setup-like the "Living Stereo" SACD's, in where these SACD's do have the tracking for conventional 2channel CD playback as well. Some SACD's don't have this adaptability for conventional CD playback.

Still a "4-channel SQ/CD-4" syndrome in this end of the market some - mainly due to popularity an consumer demand since this is an audiophile based area.

-Monte

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Joshua Waaland
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I still use cd's (I have about 300 now) but I am going to be buying an mp3 player this week with Best Buy gift cards that I got for my 30th birthday. I want a hard drive based player so that I can take my whole collection with me but haven't wanted to spend $300 on one. Especially since I will be traveling a lot with my new job, I want to have my whole collection with me.

I agree that ipod's suck. The batteries die after about a year or so according to several other students I asked at school that have one. Not to mention there isn't even an fm tuner built in. I just think that overall there aren't many features.

Anyone got any advice on which mp3 player to buy? I use Windows Media Player and have been slowly putting all my cd's on the computer in anticipation of getting an mp3 player down the road. So it has to be compatible with WMA files, have an fm tuner, hopefully a replaceable battery and a color screen.

Now to vent......I cannot stand satellite radio. It is the biggest rip-off. I took a trip in my mother-in-laws car which had XM for a 8-9 hour drive and ended up switching to regular fm. I was excited to use it too at first and see what it was all about. Unfortunately it still has commercials and the playlists suck! Not to mention I was hoping to get away from listening to DJ's. I can't stand listening to obnoxious DJ's which is a major reason I have over 300 cd's. I dare you to find a radio station that doesn't have a morning show and talk for the majority of the time. I don't want to hear about some dumbass disc jockey's weekend, what's going on in his life, or listen to some retarded guy like Dieter in Cleveland do physical harm to himself for entertainment. Shut the HELL UP and play the music! That IS the purpose of radio you know.

While I am on the subject, what the hell is going on with MTV and VH1?! I like to get up and watch videos while I get ready, but out of four friggin "music video channels" I can't find a single music video on. Stop playing all the Real World episodes and stupid "reality" shows (if you think the producers don't give them things to say and influence the show you are crazy) and put the music videos back on! Okay I feel better now....Sorry, needed to vent.

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Bobby Henderson
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Regarding MTV and VH1, my guess is Viacom thinks everyone has Cox Digital Cable where several different MTV and VH1 channels operate. I have a Dish Network dish. So when I want to watch music videos, which has unfortunately become a more exceedingly rare occaision, I'll turn on the FUSE channel. But even a lot of stuff they play there is boy band pop-flavored punk bullshit.
[Frown]

Satellite radio can be somewhat convenient, particularly if you're driving out in the middle of nowhere. The audio quality isn't great. But it's nice to know what performer is playing the song you're hearing via the data display. I freaking hate all those conventional stations that might play a new song that sounds great but then not say who sang it. You wind up having to call the damned station and ask (provided they have a live DJ on duty).

I have very little need for satellite radio -at least in my vehicle that is. High gas prices have me driving as little as humanly possible. Maybe if XM or Sirius can come up with a receiver that one can attach to a bicycle or just put in your pocket I might consider getting one. For now, I'll just stick with the Sirius radio channels on Dish Network.

Which MP3 player to buy? That's a tough question.

The Creative Labs Zen Mirco was a PC Magazine Editor's Choice winner in small hard disc based players. The 5GB unit was called the value leader in terms of price and features. Their review also gave the unit high marks on audio quality. It's currently the #2 ranked seller behind Apple's iPod Nano White.
PC Magazine review of Zen Micro

Of course there's larger capacity hard disc based players from companies like Creative Labs, iRiver and more.

I'm leaning toward getting a flash-based MP3 player that I can wear while jogging or bike riding. As it stands I haven't seen any players that combined the right set of features, memory capacity, audio quality and price that made me want to make a purchase. For now, such a player will wait down the list of priorities from other items I want to buy -such as a nice, high speed external 500GB hard disc for my notebook computer.

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Monte L Fullmer
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One kind of a niftly little MP3 player is the one that you load up a thumbdrive (a 512mg is the best) of Mp3's, then plug the thumbdrive in an FM transmitter device that itself plugs into the cigarette lighter socket to power the device.

Then, you select a transmitting frequency on the device, then tune in the FM radio on this frequency (which is usually below 89.1mHz) and you've got easy 6 hrs of nonstop music through the car radio that doesn't sound too bad at all.

Only trick to watch out for this is not have your Mp3's loaded under a directory of any sort, just the files themselves. You also might have to arrange the files on the computer first (just the first character) on how you want them since the device plays the files in an "alphanumeric" order (e.g. "zero through nine", then "a to z")

Works pretty slick.

-Monte

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Wolff King Morrow
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I got into the ipod craze myself. I prefer 192Kbps. Anything below that and I start to notice the distortion to the point of it being annoying. 128 is really bad when you listen to it after getting used to 192.

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Mark Lippert
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Maybe if XM or Sirius can come up with a receiver that one can attach to a bicycle or just put in your pocket I might consider getting one.
Bobby, such a thing does exist. Here's one of them.

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Phil Hill
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Starting Nov 15th, DirecTV is dumping the "Music Choice" channels and going over to "XM".

Yea! FINALLY some great choices to listen to at home.

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