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Louis Bornwasser
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Was almost killed at Kentucky Theatre, Louisville KY. Had panels like those pictured above. Theatre had fused neutrals; amplifier was dead. With neutral fuse open (65 years old) power was on the amp, but no neutral return. I replaced every neutral fuse with a pielce of heavy copper pipe. Well. . . . it LOOKED dead.

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Stephan Shelley
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The pic that Jim posted looks like from the 4 star San Francisco. The top right is the sign out front. It actually has both legs of the 220 going to it. The two blades with the wooden handle is the neutral and one leg the other leg is at the very top with no handle on it. I got shocked a few times working on that sign till I figured out what was going on. Also even though I pulled the fuses the manager put them back in and turned it on while I had my hands in there. I was luck and did not get zapped.

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Donald Brown
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Though hardly an electrical nightmare, I humorously recall the following incident that occurred one night at the Hyannis Drive-In Theatre on Cape Cod.
The booth at the Hyannis Drive-In was separate from the concession and was equipped with a combined rectifier room / restroom. The machines were water cooled Ashcraft Dynarcs, and the Brenkert 100 heads had water cooled gates. All cooling water emptied into the restroom sink.
With some urgency one evening, I entered the restroom. In haste, I closed the door which displaced a cord which traveled across the steel door frame. The door caught the cord and shorted it out with a loud snap and arc flash!
The Hyannis Drive-In has been gone for nearly twenty-nine years, but the memory of that night remains!

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Carsten Kurz
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As a child, I had put a nail into a 220V mains socket out of curiosity. Never did that again, but don't remember I had been seriously impressed.

I later built electronic circuits and touched 220VAC occasionally as well. I didn't like it, but wasn't too excited.

When I had my first ATARI computer, I operated my first hard-disc (a seagate ST-157N) rats-nest-wired with an open frame ASTEC switching power supply, that was simply sitting on my desk.
One day I touched something on it. Boy, there IS a difference between 220VAC and the rectified DC... I regained my respect for mains supply voltages that day...

- Carsten

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Sam D. Chavez
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I don't know that I agree that DC hurts one more than the same AC Voltage.

However, my biggest shock ever was at a Drive In measuring plate current on an Ampex 120 Watt amp. Something around 500 Volts. I was working alone and got free but my whole body, brain and nerves were shaky for hours afterward.

I learned a different way to measure plate current. It's called cathode current.

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Carsten Kurz
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No, not 'the same' AC, but the rectified DC is substantially higher than the feeding AC...

Seemed to make a difference for me.

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Sam D. Chavez
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quote: Carsten Kurz
No, not 'the same' AC, but the rectified DC is substantially higher than the feeding AC...

Way too many generalities here. 220VAC can certainly kill you if applied correctly.

Most DC equipment in cinema results in a step down in DC voltage not step up.

Edison spent a lot of money trying to prove that DC power was safer than AC, by shocking animals to death on AC. Course it did not matter. AC won out for a number of reasons.

But We're just having fun here right?

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John Eickhof
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The worst one I have worked on was 15-16 years ago, I received the typical Saturday nite emergency call from a triplex a Carmike house) in eastern Idaho around 7:30 pm. The manager was in a panic saying "we're completely down! the place is full of smoke! Lights have exploded and glass is raining down from the ceiling lights and lightning bolts are dancing around the booth!" I asked if the customers have been evacuated and the fire dept called? He said "not yet, I've got to get the movies going again" !! Some logic? I told him to get everyone out ASAP and get the FD in there to make sure the place isn't on fire, and make sure anyone injured is taken care of! I said I couldn't do anything til the next day anyway so forget tonite's shows! Long story short, I brought as many parts as I could the next morning, when I arrived, light fixtures were vaporized and others were blown out of the ceiling! Flourescent ballasts were gone with just molten copper left behind! They had AW3 platters, I opened the speed card doors and the cards in use were vaporized just black soot and copper splatters! Inside two of the H-20 lamps the fan motors were vaporized and just molten globs, two of the rectifiers ad no power input contactors left! Just molten metal!
one of the sound racks was smoked, all power transformers had vaporized! Plus other fried items like the xetron automations, the power transformers were just metal frames, no windings were left! Here's what happened: It was an older theatre with the main power room located upstairs between booths 2 & 3, there was no main disconnect outside the building! Apparently the power company had lost a transformer in the alley behind the theatre, they shut down all the mains in the alley but never went in to cut out the theatre mains! They live installed a replacement 5KV transformer and when they lit it up it had an internal short sending the 5kv into one leg of the three phase in the theatre! The manager said there were flames coming out of most of the booth equipment and arcs were dancing between the projectors and other devices!! He was afraid he would be fired for losing the shows so he called me first!! I was able to get the place running manually and had it all fixed in a couple weeks! Needless to say, the power company ended up paying my bills as well as the bills for all the lighting and other downstairs equipment that got smoked. Plus outside main disconnects were added to the building! Just another day in the service biz!!

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Dear mother of god! That's horror movie material!

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Sam D. Chavez
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John's story is way better!

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John Eickhof
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I forgot to add that I chose not to ask the teenage manager how he disposed of his underpants! Sam's amplifier story reminded me of an occasion in Fallon Nevada in the early 1970's that was having arc lamp problems, the ballast resistors on one lamp had fried open, so after I replaced them, I had to set the voltage drop to the lamp, note that the booth was 1920s vintage with the genny in the basement three floors below, the start-stop switches were in the booth in a free standing frankenstein style rack with the 240V 3 phase sub panel,open knife switches and other exposed conductors. (I think Bob Koch may have done the install for RCA years before it was a 1940's vintage Roth Actodector from RCA with Brenkert Enarcs) Anyway, they had a voltmeter inline before the ballast, and a 100 watt light bulb that would lite to about 80% when the genny was up and running, I had to reach around each side of the rack to adjust the resistors in a bear hug fashion! Well, all I remember to this day is hearing a buzzing sound through my ears and the 100 watt bulb got real bright! Then I was on the floor a few feet in front of the rack! My arms had electrical marks and burns and were numb for days! The owner luckily had come into the booth just when I had become the field control supply! Later I figure what happened was caused by my left arm that touched the rheostat that controlled the field voltage to the genny, and my other arm that had found an open 240V bus!on the correct phase and since my body had less resistance, the field went wild on the genny! He was smart and quick to grab a broom and pry me away from the rack! Once the genny returned to normal field voltage and I had slammed down a couple shots of whiskey with the owner across the street, I remembered my basic electrical training and put one hand in a pocket and adjusted the ballast from one side with the other hand and the owner watching the voltmeter I had at the arc lamp. The owner told me he heard me moaning and when he entered the booth my hair was standing on end and the lite bulb was white hot and the voltmeter was pegged at 150 Volts ! (Should be around 85 volts!)I guess I really got the genny's field excited!!
I'm pretty sure I have a few less brain cells after that too! Plus the ones lost from the booze!

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Sam D. Chavez
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Explains a lot old friend!

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Marcus Johnson
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quote: Carsten Kurz
No, not 'the same' AC, but the rectified DC is substantially higher than the feeding AC...
On an Atari ST power supply? No, the max voltage one of those would put out would be 12 volts. More than likely you WERE feeling the mains voltage. Those type of power supplies had the ground wire from the mains input socket wired straight to the frame, and then the positive and negative mains wires were soldered to the circuit board without any additional covers or shielding. So all you would have had to do was touch something conductive to a solder point on the input board while your hand was on the frame and you would've gotten hit with 220 VAC.

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Carsten Kurz
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No, as I wrote, on an open frame ASTEC switching power supply feeding the external hard-disc. That was the rectified mains voltage.

- Carsten

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