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Author Topic: Is this a 3 phase electrical outlet? Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-11-2004 05:39 PM                  Speaking of weird outlets... I am having trouble finding and buying a receptacle to plug in my kitchen bread toaster. It requires a NEMA 14-20R. While "some" electrical distributors claim they have them ...they don't. Or, there is a $100 min order. This receptacle costs about $30 and I just need one ...not 4 to meet some minimum. Any ideas where I can buy just one without paying $100 min? It's a rare one and very hard to find. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-11-2004 05:52 PM                        Home Depot has those at the checkout counter as one of the impulse items.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-11-2004 06:12 PM                  Joe, You're mixing this up with a 14-22LR. The .22 cal bullets used for varmint hunting like Rach's rabbit. What I'm looking for is a 20 amp, 240/120 volt, single-phase socket with a neutral and safety ground. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-11-2004 09:13 PM                     Careful, Phil. That's not a toaster.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-12-2004 01:55 AM                     Gee Phil, the NEMA type 14 is not that rare and is often stocked by electrical supply houses. It is a 4-pin plug that has two hots, a neutral and ground so it can supply 120VAC, 240VAC at the same time. I must admit, I've always used the locking variety of this plug in my applications and I'd suspect that the L14-20P is more apt to be stocked than the straight blade 14-20P. Have you checked your local Home Depot? Steve  |  IP: Logged John Hegel Expert Film Handler Posts: 166 From: Lake Mills, Iowa Registered: Sep 2000 posted 10-12-2004 02:09 AM                        So is there something special about this toaster. Can it walk or talk or something? Wouldn’t it be easier to cut the plug off and attach a more common one.  |  IP: Logged William Hooper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1879 From: Mobile, AL USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-12-2004 06:26 AM                        Dan Bouvier, stop sucking face with that spider for one minute & come fix this problem for Phil!  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-12-2004 08:54 PM                  quote: John Hegel Wouldn’t it be easier to cut the plug off and attach a more common one. Why would I want to do that? It would cost 2X the amount of solving the issue correctly...DUH! Plus, I would like to keep the original molded plug/cordset. quote: Steve Guttag Have you checked your local Home Depot? Yes I have, Steve. They, as well as NOBODY else that I can find with a Google search stocks this particular socket. In answer to what is "so special" about this toaster: It is a commercial, restaurant-style 240/120volt 2400 watt unit. I bought it cuz I was sick and tired of the pussy ass 700-900 watt toasters that took 3-4 minutes to pop! This baby pops in 20-30 seconds. Ok OK OK! SO I'm impatient! HA! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 10-12-2004 09:43 PM                    How do you have it connected at present?  |  IP: Logged Mike Fitzgerald Expert Film Handler Posts: 224 From: Castle Hayne, NC, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 10-12-2004 11:47 PM                     Phil the problem is you looked at Home Depot you should look at LOWES if you have one in your area. (I am now working in the plumbing dept at the LOWES here in Wilmington.) I had sent my resume to Consolidated Theaters for their new 16 plex they are opening and never even got a response and I tried calling them on the phone and he was always out so I got the hint they do not want employees with 30 + years theater experience.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-13-2004 12:16 AM                     Awww, C'Mon, Phil! Everybody knows that's not for a toaster! It's for a new line of 220 V sex toys he's designing! quote: This baby pops in 20-30 seconds. Ok OK OK! SO I'm impatient! HA! At 220 volts, I can imagine there's a lot of "popping" going on at Phils house! Want to see a weird electrical plug?  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-13-2004 02:12 AM                     Phil, It's definitely the case that if you cannot find the connector locally, the standard solution is to replace it with a more standard connector. Like Steve said, the twistlock style (L14-20 series) is more future-proof and available. But it also seems like you must not have tried the right decade's yellowpages under electrical supply houses. Needless to say, MSC Industrial Supply to the rescue. A single 14-20R receptacle is available from 3 manufacturers. Just go to Electrical Supplies -> Wiring Devices -> Receptacles and select 14-20R under NEMA Configuration. They range from $18.65 to $30.06; part numbers 48670608, 09262791, and 54033998, respectively, for Pass & Seymour, NuLine, and Hubbell (in ascending price order). No minimum order, same-day shipping from their Reno, NV distribution center (closest to you), etc. Use the web or call 800-645-7270. Nothing quite like their 4600+ page catalog: "the big book." Hi, Randy. Nice stage-pin connector there (grounded). Are those good for more than 120V? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-13-2004 02:17 AM                     Randy....I don't know a live-stage venue that hasn't used that style of connector for lighting instruments. Phil, I've sent you information on where to purchase said socket. The L14 (locking variety) is vastly more popular and less expensive than the straight blade varients. MSC Industrial supply has such things in stock... Try Hubbell 14-20R That is for the Hubbell brand outlet (generally the best in electrical fixtures though they do have NuLine as well). They are in-stock (6 when I checked) and available on-line so quit your complainin'. Steve  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 10-13-2004 02:21 AM                     Whew. Beat Guttag by 300 seconds. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-13-2004 08:31 AM                     Yeah, only because you didn't email Phil the info directly nor provided a link. While providing a twist lock would make things cheaper in the future, it is more expensive to change the plug, buy the outlet than just to buy the outlet in a straight blade. What some don't seem to get on the Nema type 10 and type 14 plugs/outlets is that it provides BOTH 120VAC and 220VAC (there are ranges in their depending on the type of service to your building). So, in the case of the toaster, the heating elements are probably using the 220VAC so as to provide over 4000-watts on a mere 20A service and the rest can run on standard 120VAC. Certainly a solution for the manufacturer is to provide a step-down transformer but that would add cost on their part and take up considerable size. If this was just a 220VAC device, then a NEMA type 6 could be used. I don't know why the NEMA type 10 is still allowed except as a replacement item like the old 2-prong 120VAC outlets. The only difference between type 10 and type 14 is that type 14 is grounded...a particularly good safety feature for a toaster...especially if you plan on having your toast while taking a bath...on second thought...for Phil a type 10 may be best. Steve  |  IP: Logged

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