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Author Topic: Earthquake & Killer Tsunamis, Christmas 2004 Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 12-28-2004 11:52 AM                    quote: Joe Redifer What is "avian flu"? Avian Flu (AKA "The Bird Flu") We're up over 40,000 now. Some estimates say 60,000+ is likely. There was an earthquake in Iran last year that killed 40,000 some people too, for those that don't remember.  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 12-28-2004 01:25 PM                        For David, Phuket, "poo KET" with "ket" as in "ketchup". Why do you ask? How do you think it should be pronounced? Probably the way I thought it should be pronounced the first time I saw it. [ 12-28-2004, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: Paul Mayer ]  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 12-28-2004 02:44 PM                     ha!! We have tons of places with that word in the name here in OC. I always thought you were supposed to say Fuck It. It's much more fun that way.  |  IP: Logged David Buckley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 525 From: Oxford, N. Canterbury, New Zealand Registered: Aug 2004 posted 12-28-2004 04:18 PM                        To those folks who thinks most of the world hates America: Not everyone hates America. Many people globally are resentful of America, as America offers the possibility of a lifestyle that they can only dream of, these people are jealous and frustrated rather than hateful Many people dont like the way that America behaves, even though we understand why America has to behave that way But it doesnt mean these people hate America, or Americans.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 12-28-2004 04:47 PM                     They're now talking about up to 60,000 dead now, and expected to rise. I don't know what else to say, it's impossiible to imagine a dsaster of that magnitude.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 12-28-2004 07:29 PM                     We as individuals can send money for aid by dialing our telephones and charging to our credit cards. My wife and I have sent funds via the Doctors Without Borders and the International Red Cross. New York's Mayor Bloomberg cautions people to beware of scams,citing the many phony charities that sprang up after 9/11. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- December 28, 2004 DONATIONS Agencies Accepting Aid Dollars Some legit charities here Following are some of the agencies accepting contributions for aid to people affected by the earthquake and tsunami in Asia. ACTION AGAINST HUNGER 247 West 37th Street, Suite 1201 New York, N.Y. 10018 212-967-7800 x108 www.actionagainsthunger.org AMERICAN JEWISH WORLD SERVICE 45 West 36th Street, 10th Floor New York, N.Y. 10018 800-889-7146 www.ajws.org AMERICAN JEWISH JOINT DISTRIBUTION COMMITTEE South Asia Tsunami Relief Box 321 847A Second Avenue New York, N.Y. 10017 212-687-6200 ext. 851 www.jdc.org AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE AFSC Crisis Fund 1501 Cherry Street Philadelphia, Pa. 19102 215-241-7000 www.afsc.org AMERICAN RED CROSS International Response Fund P.O. Box 37243 Washington, D.C. 20013 800-HELP NOW www.redcross.org CARE 151 Ellis Street Atlanta, GA 30303 800-521-CARE www.care.org CATHOLIC RELIEF SERVICES Tsunami Emergency P.O. Box 17090 Baltimore, Md. 21203-7090 800-736-3467 www.catholicrelief.org DIRECT RELIEF INTERNATIONAL 27 South La Patera Lane Santa Barbara, Calif. 93117 805-964-4767 www.directrelief.org DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS P.O. Box 1856 Merrifield, Va. 22116-8056 888-392-0392 www.doctorswithoutborders.org EPISCOPAL RELIEF AND DEVELOPMENT Emergency Fund P. O. Box 12043 Newark, NJ 07101 800-334-7626 www.er-d.org INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OF RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT www.ifrc.org INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL CORPS Earthquake/Tsunami Relief 1919 Santa Monica Boulevard, Suite 300 Santa Monica, Calif. 90404 800-481-4462 www.imcworldwide.org INTERNATIONAL ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN CHARITIES Asia Disaster Response P.O. Box 630225 Baltimore, MD 21263-0225 877-803-4622 www.iocc.org ISLAMIC RELIEF USA Southeast Asia Earthquake Emergency P.O. Box 6098 Burbank, Calif. 91510 888-479-4968 www.irw.org/asiaquake MERCY CORPS Southeast Asia Earthquake Response Dept. W P.O. Box 2669 Portland, Ore. 97208 800-852-2100 www.mercycorps.org OPERATION USA 8320 Melrose Avenue, Suite 200 Los Angles, Calif. 90069 800-678-7255 www.opusa.org OXFAM AMERICA Donor Services Department 26 West Street Boston, MA 12111-1206 800-77-OXFAM www.oxfamamerica.org SAVE THE CHILDREN Asia Earthquake/Tidal Wave Relief Fund 54 Wilton Road Westport, Conn. 06880 800-728-3843 www.savethechildren.org UNICEF General Emergency Fund 333 E. 38th Street New York, NY 10016 800-4-UNICEF www.unicef.org Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy Policy | Search | Corrections | RSS | Help | Back to Top Israel was one of the first nations to respond with an airlift of medical and other relief personnel and supplies, but only a single news medium has carried the story. The U.S. sent aid through military channels on Monday.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 12-28-2004 09:14 PM                    With these third world fishing village countries that were hit, it's doubtful anyone knew exactly how many people were there to begin with. We'll probably never get an exact count. I heard earlier this afternoon that twelve US C-130s full of supplies have been sent so far, as well as several Navy P-3 Orion surveillance planes to assist in search and rescue operations. And you beat me to the punch, Gerard! Good info. Thank you. And thank you for your comments, David.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 12-28-2004 09:57 PM                     Here's some details of the aid already sent: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/28/politics/28aid.html Supplies and relief workers were being flown to the area from nations including Britain, France, Spain, Sweden, Finland, Russia, Denmark, Austria, Hungary, Greece, Australia, Italy and Japan. In the United States, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and other State Department officials said that at least $15 million in aid would be provided, in cash or donated supplies, with $4 million going directly to the International Red Cross. "We will do everything we can to immediately help," Mr. Powell said. "This is, indeed, an international tragedy." The Pentagon on Monday dispatched three Navy P-3 Orion reconnaissance planes from Kadena Air Base in Japan to Thailand to assist in search-and-rescue operations. In addition, the Air Force sent as many as eight C-130 Hercules transport planes, loaded with tents, food, clothing and other supplies, from Yokota Air Base in Japan to Thailand, according to a spokesman for the United States Pacific Command in Hawaii, Lt. Col. William Bigelow. As of late Monday, one military official said the United States was considering assigning several thousand American troops to the effort. The greatest need appeared to be in Sri Lanka, where the government officially requested the assistance of the United States and other nations and organizations. In Sri Lanka alone, perhaps a million are homeless, relief officials said. Tents, blankets, water purification tablets, flour, rice, antibiotics, syringes, ready-to-eat meals and portable generators are all needed immediately, a Sri Lankan government statement said. In the weeks ahead, assistance will also be needed to rebuild housing, roads, utilities and government facilities. The United Nations is helping coordinate the response there, and called a meeting on Monday morning in the capital, Colombo, that was attended by dozens of leaders of relief agencies, officials said. The United Nations promised to immediately deliver nearly 40,000 pieces of plastic sheeting or plastic mats, as well as rope, and other relief packages consisting of cooking sets, mosquito nets and clothing, enough to assist about 2,000 families ................................................................. The scope of the under-reported Israeli aid, among the first to be sent, is listed here: http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Israeli_Aid3_Unreported.asp When disaster strikes anywhere in the world, Israelis can be counted on to help. So it's no surprise that within hours of the devastating tsunami in the Indian Ocean, the following humanitarian missions all departed from the tiny Jewish state: IDF rescue team on its way to Sri Lanka ● The Israeli organization Latet ('To Give') filled a jumbo jet with 18 tons of supplies. ● A medical team headed by four doctors from Jerusalem's Hadassah Hospital arrived in Sri Lanka on Monday night (Dec. 27), carrying medicine and baby food. The doctors specialize in rescue operations, trauma and pediatrics. ● An IDF rescue team is now on its way to Sri Lanka with 80 tons of aid material, including 10,000 blankets, tents, nylon sheeting and water containers, all contributed by the IDF. ● A ZAKA rescue-and-recovery team arrived in the disaster areas Monday night, armed with its specialized equipment for identifying bodies. ● A Health Ministry contingent left for Thailand on Monday night to aid in rescue efforts. The group includes doctors, nurses and four members of the IDF. ● Israel has also offered its assistance to India ― a search-and-rescue team from the Home Front Command, as well as consignments of food and medicine. Yet, with the exception of UPI (as of this writing - Wed. 4pm EST), none of the major news outlets have dedicated an article to this remarkable Israeli humanitarian effort. This, despite the fact that the IDF sent all Israel-based journalists a press release Monday evening (Dec. 27), inviting them to the airport to cover the departure of one IDF group. This is all the more surprising given the fact that the major news agencies have entire teams of reporters in Israel, who submit at least one 'Israel-article' each day. So what did the Associated Press send out today to its 15,000 subscribing news agencies? A dreary story about the construction of a new IDF base near Jenin. AP sarcastically remarked in this 'news' story that the base's 'elaborate color scheme and landscaping shows that the army is not planning to pull its forces out of the area anytime soon.' The lack of media interest in this Israeli humanitarian effort means that Israeli benevolence toward other peoples is not fairly conveyed to the western world. Perhaps if it were conveyed, observers would come to understand something else ― that Israel's response to Palestinian violence is also motivated by the highest ethical concern for all human life, and is not (as the media so often portray it) driven by an oppressive, mean-spirited national ethos...  |  IP: Logged Barry Martin Expert Film Handler Posts: 203 From: Newington, CT USA Registered: Jul 2002 posted 12-29-2004 12:13 AM                        In regards to the lack of warning system, I was half awake after an all-nighter the other day and caught some news program with a scientist in front of a tsunami simulator in a college in Colorado who said a warning system for the Indian Ocean was suggested recently but had only been in the works for 9 months and that it takes about a year to get one up and running. Couldn't find anything online to link to in order to backup this statement, anyone hear something like this? And if it's true, talk about your "day late, dollar short" scenarios.  |  IP: Logged David Buckley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 525 From: Oxford, N. Canterbury, New Zealand Registered: Aug 2004 posted 12-29-2004 12:47 AM                        Heck, Joe must be asleep - I can still post to this thread. Heres a bit from http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/88760F73-3D19-41A9-A762-D0118CC1B8CC.htm, its agency copy, it is available at a number of other places but only by subscription. "It's just like moving an enormous paddle at the bottom of the sea," said David Booth, a seismologist at the British Geological Survey. "A big column of water has moved, we're talking about billions of tons. This is an enormous disturbance." Moving at about 800kph the waves took more than two hours to reach Sri Lanka, where the human toll has been horrific, and longer to spread to India and the east coast of Africa. And because such tidal waves rarely occur in the Indian Ocean, there is no system in place to warn coastal communities they are about to be hit, such as exists in the Pacific, Booth said. "With 20-20 vision of hindsight, that will be reconsidered," he said. An Australian scientist had suggested in September that an Indian Ocean warning system be set up, but it takes a year to create one. Also, those living along the Indian Ocean's shores were less likely than Pacific coastal dwellers to know the warning signs of an impending tidal wave - water receding unusually fast and far from the shore, Booth said.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 12-29-2004 08:58 AM                    quote: David Buckley water receding unusually fast and far from the shore, Booth said That's interesting. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm at the beach.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 12-29-2004 02:50 PM                     We have many hard working friends that live in the effected regions and communications have been tough. Cultural, religous, government issues of the area should take a secondary role while taking care of the needs of the survivors and their future stability...  |  IP: Logged Kyle McEachern Expert Film Handler Posts: 165 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 12-29-2004 08:44 PM                 CNN has the warning side of things covered. From their website today...(From http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/12/29/quake.alert.system.reut/index.html): Screw sirens and TV/radio announcements...just an email and you're good to go!  |  IP: Logged David Yauch Expert Film Handler Posts: 206 From: Mesa, AZ, USA Registered: Oct 2004 posted 12-29-2004 08:56 PM                     quote: Paul Mayer Why do you ask? How do you think it should be pronounced? Probably the way I thought it should be pronounced the first time I saw it. I didn't think there WAS another way to say it! Meanwhile the number is well over 60,000 now. Kind of ironic to think of all the technology we have floating around, but a tsunami can still kill 60000+, even in the 21st century.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-29-2004 11:25 PM                     quote: Barry Martin a scientist in front of a tsunami simulator in a college in Colorado who said a warning system for the Indian Ocean was suggested recently but had only been in the works for 9 months and that it takes about a year to get one up and running. A microbarograph can be made for $50 out of parts you have lying around in your workshop. (I'm working from memory here... I'll have to go dig through 10 years of back-issues to get the exact details.) Basically, it's made from a few hundred feet of garden hose, a two litre plastic soda bottle, a small submersible water heater and some electronic parts. The garden hose is laid out on the ground in a radial design like the legs of an octopus. They all connect at the center and lead up to the soda bottle. Inside the bottle is a submersible water heater. A piece of glass tubing is poked through the side of the bottle (and sealed) to make a manometer. An arrangement of optical sensors made from LEDs and photo transistors monitors the level of liquid in the manometer. The submersible heater is turned on by the electronic circuit to heat the water/air inside the manometer tube. Changes in temperature will cause the water level to go up and down. The circuit is tuned so that it uses the heater to keep the water level at the same point in the manometer tube. Calibrating and reading the manometer is simple: Measure the amount of current used by the heater. A tsunami is created by a gigantic displacement of water. This creates a shock wave in the ocean that pushes or pulls water in or out of its path as it travels. Over the surface of the water, there might not be much to see but there is a HUGE displacement of air as the water moves. Just before a tsunami arrives, the air pressure starts to fluctuate up and down. The difference may be only a few millibars, if that, but it IS measurable. When your soda bottle microbarograph starts drawing current you know something's up. According to what I remenber in the article, you have as much as an hour's warning or even more. For a few million dollars you could put soda bottle microbarographs all along the coast line of Sri Lanka and man them for a year! If something happened out of the ordinary one of the guys could pick up a cell phone (or two-way radio... or whatever) and call-in the authorities to investigate. With even a half hour's warning a LOT of lives could be saved. I know... I dramatize. But my point is that it doesn't take gozillions of dollars worth of weather satellites and computers to protect the lives of these people. It only takes the judicious application of brain power. Speaking of brain power... If you noticed an undersea earthquake of magnitude 9.5 wouldn't you have called somebody? It doesn't take a big stretch of the imagination to understand that a quake that big will undoubtedly touch off a tsunami. The science is out there. It's in black and white. It's been around for years. (Since at least 1989.) The links to three articles I posted before show it. This is not about LACK of knowledge or technology or resources. It's about the lack of APPLICATION of that knowledge! Some day I want to build a microbarograph and a seismograph (magnets, Hall Effect sensor, some electronics, 4" plastic pipe and a couple bags of cement) and put them in my back yard. Couple that information up with an electronic weather station that can be bought at virtually any hobby store these days and you've got a weather watcher's paradise! Regarding donations to the relief fund: As soon as I get back to campus after the holiday vacation I'll be calling up Sr. Gerri of The Sisters of Mercy. (The order of nuns who founded the college I work at.) I don't know if they have a disaster relief fund in the works yet but I'm certain they will very soon. May I recommend contacting them? Sisters of Mercy - Americas Sisters of Mercy - International (Ireland) My donations to the relief fund will be going to them. You can pretty much guarantee the money will end up in the area(s) where it's really needed and not in the pocket of some "administrator" who claims 50% of the money raised as his "salary".  |  IP: Logged

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