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Paul Mayer
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Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston, chief test pilot for the Boeing 707 project. Yes, unannounced he rolled the Dash-80 (the prototype for both the 707 and the C-135) during a demo flight in front of the assembled Boeing and potential airline customer executives in town for an IATA convention. Oh and there were quite a few engineers aboard the aircraft too.

Just another day selling airplanes. It was a beautiful moment.

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/707_roll_video.htm

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Believe me, the engineers do not want to be flying the plane. [Big Grin]

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Paul Mayer
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What cracks me up is that Iqaluit is going through a "heat wave" of sorts right now. The temperatures are only getting down to about -10degF or so. Airbus would like it to be more typical for Iqaluit, like -25 to -30degF for some really good cold soak testing.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Iqualit doesn't really get that cold. Yesterday's -23/-31C hi and low falls right on average.

http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-21_metric_e.html

If they want colder weather they can fly in circles to Alert and Resolute where it's currently -35C (-31F).

http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-27_metric_e.html

I think they're more concerned with sort-a-cold weather with excellent search and rescue within short distance. [Big Grin]

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Dave Macaulay
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CBC did a short segment on the testing, apparently Iqaluit was picked because of the 8600 ft runway and availablity of accomodation for their people. No mention of whatever subsidies the assorted governments offered Airbus but as usual that's probably a major factor too. An Iqaluit delegation did go to Airbus and pitch their town for the cold tests so I expect taxpayers are footing part of the bill.

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Paul Mayer
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Looks like Airbus successfully passed the emergency evacuation certification test for the A380 last Sunday. 873 people out of the aircraft and on the ground in 90 seconds through eight out of 16 doors in the dark. 32 injuries including a broken leg - apparently about what is expected with such large numbers.

Airwise News link

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Leo Enticknap
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I'm sure that would be getting off lightly compared to a typical emergency evacuation drill on Ryanair (known as Dieinair to its regular customers).

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Himm, Sometimes catch up takes a cople of years but it appears that Boeing is now trouncing on Airbus receiving a whopping 350 orders for the new 787 Dreamliner plane and it hasn't even left the gound! Whilst Airbus 's new chief wades through the their 140 plane order for their new competing plane the A-350 and is deciding weather to even put it into production or not... all this whilst the hige A-380 is experiencing enough problems and delays of its own. An interssting turn of events and a good indication of who is really the more sucessful plane maker. Perhaps the article below should have been titled "Boeing Kicks Ass!"
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LONDON (AFP) - European aircraft maker Airbus, which faces delays to production of the A380 super-jumbo, may be forced also to delay the launch of its long-haul A350 jet, London's Times newspaper has said.

The new setback was because Christian Streiff, set to be confirmed as the new Airbus chief executive, needed time to approve the venture, the newspaper said citing sources close to EADS on Friday, which owns 80 percent of Airbus.

The group has been busy redesigning its A350 model, a new mid-sized airliner that has been poorly received by potential clients.

According to The Times, sources close to the European Aeronautics Defence and Space Company have warned that Streiff may not make a decision by the company's deadline of the Farnborough Air Show in England which runs from July 17-23.

Streiff, the former deputy chief executive of French construction materials giant Saint-Gobain, was nominated as Airbus boss last week after his predecessor Gustav Humbert was ousted because of delays to the flagship A380.

However, the daily newspaper said that his appointment was not expected to be confirmed until next week -- around the same time that Airbus was understood to have scheduled meetings formally to approve the A350 plane.

"There is a possibility of him (Streiff) saying the A350 project is too much for him to give an OK when he is just days into the job," the Times quoted an anonymous source as saying.

The A350 jet carries at least 250 passengers and will compete with Boeing's new 787 aircraft which has been dubbed the Dreamliner.

The 787, which has a capacity of 250-300 passengers, has attracted 350 orders since its commercial launch in 2004 compared with about 100 for the A350, which was launched by Airbus as a competitor to the Boeing plane.

In a severe blow for the company, Airbus reported on June 13 that it had experienced problems with the production of its A380 model, its flagship product which is set to become the biggest civilian airliner in the world when it finally enters service.

The problems, which arose from problems in installing wires and cables, led to the departure of Humbert and are set to cut the number of deliveries of the A380 in 2007 to nine instead of 20-25.

Airbus, caught in a storm of bad publicity, has been trounced by US rival Boeing since the start of the year according to figures showing orders received by the two companies.

The figures, calculated by AFP, show that at the end of June Airbus had received only 142 orders since the start of the year compared with 445 for Boeing.

Mark

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Jennifer Pan
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This plane doesn't impress me... not until it transforms and fights crime and then forms into a cruise liner. [Big Grin]

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Louis Bornwasser
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At prtesent, there are only a few airports long enough or with suitable terminal facilities for the big Airbus.

Remember that long-times-on-the-ground mean financial losses for the airlines. Perhaps they will reinvent loading & unloading so that this thing can actually fly enough to make money. Louis

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Louis Bornwasser
Perhaps they will reinvent loading & unloading so that this thing can actually fly enough to make money.
Well... I don't know, Louis.
Maybe there was more to that "emergency EVACUATION drill" than met the eye.

What if you could reverse that process?

(excerpted from Paul's)...

873 people INTO the aircraft and OFF the ground in 90 seconds through eight out of 16 doors in the dark. 32 injuries including a broken leg - apparently about what is expected with such large numbers.

[evil] [Razz] [beer]

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Jason M Miller
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quote: Leo Enticknap
I'm sure that would be getting off lightly compared to a typical emergency evacuation drill on Ryanair (known as Dieinair to its regular customers).

They have regular customers?

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Louis Bornwasser
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Jack; 32 injuries may be an acceptable number; but only if the plane is big enough.

US to Europe planes use the same plane both ways for 6 days and the 7th day is A & B checks. If it takes too long to load/unload you will require extra aircraft. Louis

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Leo Enticknap
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Assuming (for example) 4,500 miles from Amsterdam to Minneapolis and two flights a day for six days (daytime east to west, then overnight back again), then a six-day stint is still 54,000 miles between services. I wish my car needed that little maintenance!

I'm off to a conference in Maine the week after next, and seriously hope that Northwest sold their clapped-out DC10s to Mugabe for $1.99 - or at least, taken them off the route I'll be flying. On my last trip we were delayed three hours coming home 'due to a technical fault with the aircraft', then none of the reading lights worked (great on an overnight flight, you can't sleep on planes and you want to read) or the headphone jacks (so no film either).

I got the strong impression that the plane was just so old and worn out that they were doing the bare minimum needed to keep it airworthy while they raised the money for something better, because they weren't planning to keep running it long-term. Still, the fare for this forthcoming trip was a lot cheaper than any other airline was offering, so I guess you get what you pay for (and NW is about the last airline left that still gives you a free G & T in economy class - so maybe the DC10 isn't so bad after all).

As for the A380, a pilot friend tells me that the problem is electromeagnetic interference in the cable runs. Apparently it was a pretty major blunder - the shielding and separation for each cable was designed with the tolerances of an analogue signal in mind, but apparently the A380 sends digital data down the wire to little computers situated right next to the servo motors which operate the control surfaces etc. From what she tells me, these are much more sensitive to the electromagnetic noise which exists in that environmnent, and they're gettting unacceptably high error rates in flight testing. The word on the grapevine is that upgrading and rerouting the cable runs is likely to add a significant amount of weight, with a consequent hit on fuel economy.

Forgeard, meanwhile, appears to be a graduate of the Ken Lay school of personal finance, having offloaded several million of his Airbus shares just before news of the A380 woes broke and their value went into a tailspin.

I'd guess that by the time all is said and done, the A380 probably won't perform as well as the initial hype suggested, but that it'll find a niche market for high volume routes. By the same token, I gather that the 787 is the first attempt by Boeing to design and build an all-composite airframe, so I wouldn't be surprised if that has similar teething troubles once the first prototypes get into the air, too.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I try not to get within a quarter mile of any Northwest plane.

Don't forget that Boeing has already had major experience at composites with the 777 and does alot of all composite stuff for the Air Force so I think they will be very sucessful with the 787;s structure.

The cockpit is extremely unique and both officers have clear displays so they don't have to look down while flying... a take over from Boeing's Air Force avionics work.

Boeing was really smart.... get a load of this paragraph from the 787 site:

"For instance, even though it may look a little different, the 787 flight deck operates just like the flight deck on a 777. It will take as few as five days of training for 777 pilots to qualify as 787 pilots. The pilot pool for operators of 777 / 787 mixed fleets will be the same. For an airline this is a significant cost savings."

I can't remember reading about any plane that is that easy for an airline pilot to transfer over to. Normally for a Boeing pilot to transfer over to an Airbus plane it would take about a months worth of training. Also I was wrong about the number of orders it is actually 393 extending out to 2016... Thats amazing! This plane now has the most number of orders and commitments of any new plane in history. Northwest has ordered them Leo so eventualy those old DC-10's will be gone. The first test flight is later next year with the first delivery in 2008.

Mark

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